Opinions wanted on Simmental Bull

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WKYIronMike

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This is my brother's bull, and he would like to get others opinion's about him. He hasn't registered him yet and I suppose that he will. He is Homozygous Black out of a Star Headed SVF Star Power x DMN Daisy Mae son (CLCC BIG BEN W03). His dam is a solid black Lucky Dice female out of a BS MR Corrector dam.
Sire Reg# 2493246
Dam Reg# 2262182
Curios on how much white he'll throw, but he'll probably sell him before breeding anything to him.
He'll be a 1 year old in August. 
 

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Gargan

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some1 in a commercial operation should eat him up. looks like he has a lot of grow to him. maybe a touch framey but im sure theres lots of cowherds around that could handle that. JMO
 

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To answer your question about the bull passing on the blaze face or perhaps other white markings, I would expect him to be MAYBE 50/50 on the blaze face if he's used on Angus cows, and I use Angus as a representive of any solid colored, non-spot gene carrier breed. My guess, based on a lifetime of observation, is that the bull carries some gene for spotting, and using him on Simmental or Simmental cross cows that may also carry genes for spotting could produce some loud markings--white faces, white legs & bellies, and white bands across the body. It might be possible with the right (or wrong) cow to get one that has more white than black! He could also produce smokes on cows that have a dilution gene, but he won't make any reds. If I were trying to sell him, I'd try to place him on some decent commercial purebred Angus cows...I think that's where he'd work best.
 

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LeanBeef, that's what I was thinking too, just wanted to be sure if I was thinking like anyone else. I looked at his planned epd's on ASA and it looks like this CE: 4.9 BW: 3.2 WW: 64 YW: 94 MCE: 7 MM: 19.1 MWW: 51.1 CW: 30.4 YG: -.31 Marb: .06 REA: .76 Shr: -.37 API: 89 TI: 60. Not a heifer safe bull for sure but I expected that, didn't realize his growth or milk epd's would be that high though. Don't like his indexes being that low though, but I know these epd's aren't absolute.
I'm shocked with most of the AI sires having low milk epd's, that all of my register stock seems to have risen highly. My Invasion herd sire I purchased at the Bulls of the Bluegrass Sale was an 8 on milk at time of purchase and has now jumped to a 21. I haven't registered any calves from him, might decide on keeping some daughters after this drought.
 

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The changes you're seeing are due to the fact that ASA went to a new base for the latest EPD calculations. The board & the association have been planning this for quite some time, and it was adopted for Fall 2012 numbers. We've actually set the same base as Red Angus, so the Simmental numbers can now be compared to new Red Angus numbers with no adjustments. And they can also be compared to any other cattle of other breeds that are databased with ASA. You still can't compare to numbers given by other breed associations because those numbers will still use a different base. So basically, our numbers will go up a little in birth weight, growth & milk, and there will be some other changes, but those are the ones more people will notice. That doesn't mean your cattle actually HAVE more birth weight, performance or milk than they did before the new calculation, it just means we think these are a closer estimation to what is real compared to other cattle in the industry. They'll still rank the same as before within the population of the Simmental breed...you can find percentile tables online at Simmental.org to see how they stack up.
 

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Thanks, Leanbeef for reminding me. I heard there were to be some changes but didn't know exactly what all it was and when they were to take place and frankly just forgot about it.
 

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Here recently my brother and I sold our 2 Baldy Homozygous Black Simmental Bulls, the blaze face in the photos, and the star face peaking out behind the tree. They were 18 and 19 months old. It was the first time we've sold two as a pair to a buyer. The buyer originally were just looking at one of them, but after seeing them in person, and seeing their sweet disposition's and how well they got along together he ended up buying both of them. He said he would sell his 2 year old bull of a particular breed "that I won't mention to keep from offending someone", because of his disposition. He said his cows were mostly black mottled face. Anyhow it's nice to be Simmental! But I'm gonna miss those baldies, all my youngster's are solid black except 1 and he is RED. 
 

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Congrats on the sale. Always fun to sell a bull, and even more fun when they load up more than one! Hope the buyers have good luck and come back for more!
 
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