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Re: Optimal Regional Phenotypes
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2014, 07:30:49 PM »
That cow is almost identical in type to the one I posted above. No wonder she's so productive in your program.  Band 234 is another bull w/ just unbelievable phenotype.  It really is sad that we have individuals and even breeders who are so far removed from applying a selection protocol based on functional beef cattle characteristics that they genuinely believe bulls like Bismarck and his sons are superior in type. 

I'd absolutely agree w/ your speculation of some of those bulls.  Especially the landmark 912 bull.  I could tell you nearly every breed of cattle and their defining characteristics since I was 4 years old- there is only 1 breed that has a head like that.
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Re: Optimal Regional Phenotypes
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2014, 11:12:22 AM »
Thanks, this is how far I have gotten on intuition.  I fished 96 out of a herd of 200 commercial cows that I help sort calves on and vaccinate every year.  I have culled every commercial Angus cow I owned except her and her family.  That Band 105 bull must have been a prepotent rascal.
Here are daughter, grand daughter and great grand daughter.  And daughter, 496, with Galloway cross grand daughter.  The type comes through regardless of sire, but I have to say I think the Shorthorn crosses are better. 
I also believe that a lot, maybe most, of what goes into an optimal regional phenotype is history in the environment.  These genes go back 33 years in this locale, so the forage adaptation is deep.  I think using home bred sons of the best bulls available is probably the way to keep that going.
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Re: Optimal Regional Phenotypes
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2014, 08:43:55 PM »
Here's what was discussed last time http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/cow-size/
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Re: Optimal Regional Phenotypes
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2014, 10:28:47 PM »
These cows could work anywhere. If your somewhere with more rain you could just bulk up your stocking rate as I imagine that they are real easy fleshing.

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