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SEA · « **on:** March 01, 2018, 06:06:09 PM »

SAC CONVERSATION is a 2010 model bull and I am thinking that there should be a large number of progeny available.
I heard that he is producing some very nice cattle. He even has some sexed female semen available from Select Sires for $50/unit.
My semen rep. told me that he is NOT a calving ease bull for use on heifers, and yet I have seen cattlemen using him on heifers?
I am looking for an Angus bull to use on crossbred and Clubby Cows to produce replacement females for possible club calf production that do NOT lose all the muscle, bone, phenotype, hip shape, front end, add guts, depth of heart girth, rib and improve udder and teat shape. (I realize that one bull can not do all these things, but theses are traits that I am looking for).

Anyone have experience "calving out" SAC Conversation calves out of crossbred or Clubby heifers? Is he calving ease...size, weight, shape?
I realize he has a CED +2 and BW +1.5.

Also, who has replacement cows in production, out of crossbred or Clubby Cows?
How are his traits for...
1.) Bone?
2.) Milk?
3.) Udder and Teat Shape?
4.) Phenotype/Shape?
5.) Structure?
6.) Muscle?

CRS · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2018, 09:39:02 AM »

We have our Who Da Man x Kadabra donor bred to him with sexed since she likes to twin. She is due in May, so I will know more then. I have been seeing a lot of his calves in the online sales and the calves have looked really good to me and seem to bring decent money on the online sales. The attached picture was from an online sale, I think most are going in the 5-7K dollar range and the calves have appeared sound. We used him because he is supposed to be powerful, sound and transmits a good look to his calves with a lower birthweight and good performance. We are excited about the mating and the calves will be 14.5% Chi. His CED scores have gone way down over the last year, so I am guessing he got used on a lot of heifers and had some trouble.

SEA · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2018, 01:14:49 AM »

Thanks CRS!

CRS · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2018, 07:34:23 AM »

Try BMW Onset, you won’t be disappointed. I’ve seen two heifers and a bull and wow they’re nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. We’re expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.

WinterSpringsFarm · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2018, 10:52:04 AM »

Quote from: CRS on March 05, 2018, 07:34:23 AM

Try BMW Onset, you won’t be disappointed. I’ve seen two heifers and a bull and wow they’re nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. We’re expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.

We just flushed an Insight to Onset. We are hoping for good things out if those embryos.

lightnin4 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2018, 08:27:40 PM »

I have been using Conversation. Before they changed the Angus EPDs, his CE was plenty high to comfortably breed to heifers. I'm still breeding heifers to him. I don't think I've had a calf bigger than 80 lbs sired by him (including one 55 lb. and two 60 lb. calves).

CRS · « **Reply #6 on:** April 06, 2018, 10:34:01 AM »

Here are some sale pictures from recent or upcoming sales.

SEA · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2018, 02:58:36 PM »

I purchased some sexed female, SAC Conversation semen this weekend from Top Sires, Mike Weidner, at the Michigan Beef Expo. Thanks Jim!

Planning on A.I.'ing three "proven" crossbred cows with some clubby genetics, with the purpose of producing replacement females. I.E. one Hannibal (Donor), one Direct Hit, one WMW. These three cows normally "do not miss". This is a little "experiment" that I have been wanting to try...Love these three cows. Just want to propagate their genetics with out loosing their muscle, bone, phenotype & shape, lower rear quarter and width of top, all three good on structure but not perfect. Want to add a little depth of body, a little performance, a little bigger foot, and a little milk and improvement of udder and teat design. With the primary trait being increase depth and rib, or and/or mass.

Time will tell...

Thanks! SEA

CRS · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2018, 04:31:44 AM »

We had our Conversation heifer yesterday. 75 lbs and 5 days overdue. She seems to have a lot of frame at this point, but some of the cows other calves have too and moderated as they got older. Nice structure, flat made and should thicken as she ages. I was a bit surprised that she wasn't thicker at birth, but I guess that's why they come out so easy.

CRS · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2018, 03:19:55 AM »

Almost 3 months old now. She is coming along nicely, starting to muscle up pretty well too, has a nice top and large square hip. Bred dam back same way for next year.

WinterSpringsFarm · « **Reply #10 on:** August 14, 2018, 12:24:39 AM »

Really like that calf CRS!

CRS · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2018, 03:49:19 AM »

Thank you!!, Going to hold on to her at least until next year and may sell her as a bred. Her dam is a later maturing cow and her calves always look the best as yearlings. Was wondering how you Onset flush went. We sold our older Onset calf privately and she is at her new home now, she is incredible.

WinterSpringsFarm · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »

She flushed 7 good ones. I believe my partner put 5 in. We also flushed her to 20-20 and got like 12 or so. I got a few of those in as well.

I'm anxious to get them on the ground!

CRS · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2018, 12:41:29 PM »

I was really surprised at their dispositions, very quiet. He is going to be more consistent than Who da Man, I believe, but will probably breed the same. Can't go wrong with anything out of that Ace cow. Be interesting to see what he does on your Angus cow, both of the ones I bred him to were clubby bred and patterned.

CMANGUS · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2018, 09:52:07 PM »

this is our conversation bull out of an Express cow....disposition has been amazing since day one.

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