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« on: March 01, 2018, 01:06:09 PM »
SAC CONVERSATION is a 2010 model bull and I am thinking that there should be a large number of progeny available.
I heard that he is producing some very nice cattle.  He even has some sexed female semen available from Select Sires for $50/unit.
My semen rep. told me that he is NOT a calving ease bull for use on heifers, and yet I have seen cattlemen using him on heifers?
I am looking for an Angus bull to use on crossbred and Clubby Cows to produce replacement females for possible club calf production that do NOT lose all the muscle, bone, phenotype, hip shape, front end, add guts, depth of heart girth, rib and improve udder and teat shape. (I realize that one bull can not do all these things, but theses are traits that I am looking for).

Anyone have experience "calving out" SAC Conversation calves out of crossbred or Clubby heifers?  Is he calving ease...size, weight, shape? 
I realize he has a CED +2 and BW +1.5.

Also, who has replacement cows in production, out of crossbred or Clubby Cows? 
How are his traits for...
1.)  Bone?
2.)  Milk?
3.)  Udder and Teat Shape?
4.)  Phenotype/Shape?
5.)  Structure?
6.)  Muscle?

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 04:39:02 AM »
We have our Who Da Man x Kadabra donor bred to him with sexed since she likes to twin.  She is due in May, so I will know more then.  I have been seeing a lot of his calves in the online sales and the calves have looked really good to me and seem to bring decent money on the online sales.  The attached picture was from an online sale, I think most are going in the 5-7K dollar range and the calves have appeared sound.  We used him because he is supposed to be powerful, sound and transmits a good look to his calves with a lower birthweight and good performance.  We are excited about the mating and the calves will be 14.5% Chi.  His CED scores have gone way down over the last year, so I am guessing he got used on a lot of heifers and had some trouble. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 08:14:49 PM »
Thanks CRS!

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 02:34:23 AM »
Try BMW Onset, you wont be disappointed. Ive seen two heifers and a bull and wow theyre nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. Were expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 02:36:38 AM by CRS »
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 05:52:04 AM »
Try BMW Onset, you wont be disappointed. Ive seen two heifers and a bull and wow theyre nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. Were expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.

We just flushed an Insight to Onset. We are hoping for good things out if those embryos.

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Re: SAC Conversation
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 03:27:40 PM »
I have been using Conversation.  Before they changed the Angus EPDs, his CE was plenty high to comfortably breed to heifers.  I'm still breeding heifers to him.  I don't think I've had a calf bigger than 80 lbs sired by him (including one 55 lb. and two 60 lb. calves).


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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2018, 05:34:01 AM »
Here are some sale pictures from recent or upcoming sales. 
« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 05:35:36 AM by CRS »
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2018, 09:58:36 AM »
I purchased some sexed female, SAC Conversation semen this weekend from Top Sires, Mike Weidner, at the Michigan Beef  Expo.  Thanks Jim!

Planning on A.I.'ing three "proven" crossbred cows with some clubby genetics, with the purpose of producing replacement females.  I.E. one Hannibal (Donor), one Direct Hit, one WMW.  These three cows normally "do not miss".  This is a little "experiment" that I have been wanting to try...Love these three cows.  Just want to propagate their genetics with out loosing their muscle, bone, phenotype & shape, lower rear quarter and width of top, all three good on structure but not perfect.  Want to add a little depth of body, a little performance, a little bigger foot, and a little milk and improvement of udder and teat design.  With the primary trait being increase depth and rib, or and/or mass.

Time will tell...

Thanks!  SEA

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2018, 11:31:44 PM »
We had our Conversation heifer yesterday.  75 lbs and 5 days overdue.  She seems to have a lot of frame at this point, but some of the cows other calves have too and moderated as they got older.  Nice structure, flat made and should thicken as she ages.  I was a bit surprised that she wasn't thicker at birth, but I guess that's why they come out so easy.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 10:19:55 PM »
Almost 3 months old now.  She is coming along nicely, starting to muscle up pretty well too, has a nice top and large square hip.  Bred dam back same way for next year.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »
Really like that calf CRS!

 

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