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Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2012, 10:12:37 PM »
And D.President, how is bred?
Like it, massive, good color. on back maybe will to be better than other ones.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2012, 01:14:49 PM »
His dam is of pure Carnarvon Beef Shorthorn breeding, acquired at the herd dispersal of the late Mr. A R D Halse in 2009.

His sire is a purebred Weebollabolla Shorthorn from the purebred Weebollabolla Shorthorn herd of Mr. Halse, dispersed at the same time.

From what I understand he imported a number of cattle from the Australian Weebollabolla herd of the Munros.  These were kept in a separate herd from the Beef Shorthorns under the Carnarvon prefix.  There was a small infusion of Weebollabolla genetics into the Carnarvon herd but I don't think ever the other way round.

This all happened long before I became involved in breeding Shorthorns so the finer details are sketchy at best!

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 02:57:51 PM »
they are looking very good, I have always liked the Scotty bull!  Would love to see more pictures when they have had some more time to grow.
Pictures taken today!

First Picture, D. Besssie 150

Second picture, D. Telstar 151, out of a Scotty grand-daughter.  Excellent hindquarter development so far, frame size slightly smaller than expected but, out of a first calver.  Am a bit worried about double muscleing, opinions?

Third, D. Duchess 152, smashing heifer calf!

Fourth, D. Tarantino 159, out of a regular producer of top quality calves.  The pick of the male progeny in my opinion.

Fifth, D. Thatcher 163, also out of a consistent breeding cow over the years, head might be a bit too feminine at this stage!

That from 15 doses of Scotty 83K semen!

Mind you. that, from a total of 15 live calves out of 37 TAI CIDR protocol inseminations, one abortion after 7 months, for me, is about average!

Put in 24 doses of JSF Gauge 137W into cows, and 5 doses of Spry's All Gold D052 into some selected heifers on Mon 28 October.  Acccording to the AI technician they were in excellent condition, so hope for a better AI conception rate for 2013!
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2012, 07:13:05 AM »
Lookin good! Thanks for sharing
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2012, 11:38:35 AM »
Update of Scotty progeny, taken Christmas Eve.

D. Tarantino 159

Bull calves indexed exceptionally well at 100 days (Prewean Index).  Averaged 113 over four sires in the mature cow herd.

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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2012, 03:07:51 PM »
Really nice calves!

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2012, 08:44:35 AM »
Your herd is looking really nice!
 But your killin' me with these pictures of green, green grass in December!  ;)
Don't know too much about the double muscling thing, but I think that the Telestar 151 calf is just well developed in the hind quarter....
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2012, 05:19:15 PM »
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2012, 01:18:41 PM »
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!

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Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2012, 07:12:48 AM »
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!

sounds like an interesting breed...

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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2012, 12:21:39 PM »
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!

sounds like an interesting breed...

It originated in the Stormberg area, a range of mountains in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa.  Apparently the farm Buffelshoek in the area is the coldest spot in South Africa.  From what I understand, it is a group-breeding scheme in the region with a heavy Shorthorn and Lincoln Red influence amongst others.  I think the same group is involved in a grassfed beef brand by the same name.

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Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2012, 03:42:54 PM »
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!


Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2012, 01:57:49 PM »

Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.

I will get on to that when the holiday season is over on 07 January 2013.  That is generally when everyone gets back to work after Christmas.

Had a good look at the pictures of Shorthorns and Lincoln Red Shorthorns on your website and liked them.  I saw Stonmour Thundercloud at the last Royal Show in 2009, good bull considering his 100% pure status.

Where abouts are you in Brazil, down south near Argentina?

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Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2013, 04:57:00 PM »

Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.

I will get on to that when the holiday season is over on 07 January 2013.  That is generally when everyone gets back to work after Christmas.

Had a good look at the pictures of Shorthorns and Lincoln Red Shorthorns on your website and liked them.  I saw Stonmour Thundercloud at the last Royal Show in 2009, good bull considering his 100% pure status.

Where abouts are you in Brazil, down south near Argentina?

I knew Thunder Cloud in farm on 2010. Liked much him, medium framed bull, lots of meat. Have two heifers (embryos collect two weeks ago) and a bull calf that is very interest. To me is a outcross very interest.

I live in southern Brazil, 220 km from Uruguay. Argentina is so far for me, around 700 km on road. Yearly I visited Palermo show there and already judge on Prado (Montevideo - Uruguay). My city is Rio Grande, look at google to have an idea where I'm from.

As you check my site you saw all availale genetics from SHO and LIR that I own.

Best 2013!

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Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2013, 09:17:39 AM »
Here's my Scotty cow.... out of a Broughton Park Baron 3 first calver (during the drought) and with a bull calf by a son of Belmore Jackaroo Z109 (a Scotty son) that performed well in the carcase comp he was entered in.
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