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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2007, 09:39:18 PM »
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions".  

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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2007, 09:42:26 PM »
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions". 



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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2007, 09:43:50 PM »
tj,i was feeling sorry for myself,therefore the poor humor.aegerter has her on his private treaty listingsif you want to see her.AEGERTER SALES. Thanks for the input,rusty

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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2007, 09:45:58 PM »
A3- just thougt of something, I am going to give Diamond Leggs 21 a try this next season and pull him out of storage. He seems to make great females and few folks have used him on heifers without problem.
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2007, 10:00:03 PM »
OH BREEDER, HE WILL GO ON THE LIST.I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE .THANKS FOR YOUR OPINION RUSTY

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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2007, 10:04:58 PM »
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions". 




TJ - I think he was being silly - he does that on occasion - you will learn to love that about him! ;) ;)

I figured that was probably the case, that is why I went fishing with my post.  It's all good. 
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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2007, 10:20:48 PM »
LOL I give up


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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2007, 11:01:15 PM »
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Diamond Legs 21 is a bull that I have only seen a few calves from. He was not used a lot in Canada, as only a little semen ever made it up here. He was bred by Lecil Church in Oklahoma and he has an interesting pedigree. He is sired by Leggs ( WI Dividend 3J) and his dam is really quite " old school" genetics. She has one cross of Leader breeding through her grandsire Candun Leader ( who has a shot of Kinnaber Leader 9th as well as Pheasant Dawn Seal 2nd). The rest of breeding in Legs 21's dam all goes back to old Scottish bulls from the 50s and 60s. Bulls like Kinellar Napolean ( Acadia Farms herd sire), Glasmis Bobbydazzler and Crichton Prince Charlie all were imported from Scotland and came out of the Perth Bull Sale in Scotland. It is interesting that these bloodlines are almost non existent, in Scotland now. There is also a shot of old Bapton Constructor in her background, through Louada Chancellor. Bapton Constructor was the " Trump of the 60s" as you weren't no body unless you had a Bapton Constructor son or grandson as a herdsire.
One thing I have wondered about is that Diamond Legs 21 is registered as polled yet both his sire and dam were registered as horned. He does have one shot of polled breeding through his maternal grandsire Candun Leader and it could be that his dam was actually a polled female. I always found the Irish sires were very easy to poll, that is most Irish sires would sire polled calves if they were bred to polled females. I raised a few full Irish cattle that were horned but their horns never grew more than about 4 or 5 inches and were losely attached to the skull.... kinda like " Texas scurs". Siince the Irish cattle were linebred from Shorthorns in the 30s and 40s, it could be that they resembled in some ways, the original cattle that were named " Short Horns" .
Getting back to Legs 21, his calves are quite moderate in frame and they do have good thickness. I really don't know why he hasn't been used more than he has. I think this bull has some merit in todays industry.He is probably one of the better breeding Leggs sons. With his dams breeding, you may have to use him on the bigger framed cows in your herd to get the best results.
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[PS, one other thing, you may, or, may mot want to know, is that LC Diamond Cutterx, is the ONLY Beef Shorthorn Bull Available AI in ABS Mexico's sire list. He musta really worked on some commercial cows, or produced excellent replacements, because those guys down there don't have time to mess around with cattle that don't perform( or survive) in such a challenging environment. The reason I say he must have clicked on some commercial cows, is that there isn't a Shorthorn Breed Association in Mexico, leaving out the possibility of him being put across registered cows, or clubby mamas./i]
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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2007, 04:13:34 PM »
"Moderate" does not equate to "Midget".

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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2007, 04:42:48 PM »
"Moderate" does not equate to "Midget".

I agree with you 100%.  However, people who raise frame 7+, 1600+ lb. cows will probably disagree, because that's what it takes to win in the showring at many breed shows.  FWIW, I like a cow that is around 47-49 inches tall & weighs 1100 - 1250 lbs., which is where I expect most of my F1 Lowlines will end up.  Jerry Adamson, (Rockin J Ranch in NE) sold some 1/2 blood Lowline breds a few years ago in one of his sales that were 48 inches tall & 1300+ lbs.  Some people would call a cow that size a "midget", but if they wean off 600+ lb. calves on nothing but grass, I don't care what anybody calls them!!     
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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2007, 04:43:38 PM »
you know as well as i do that an arkie moderate is an ohio midget.
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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2007, 07:18:48 PM »
WHR also had a Durham Red bull when I was there that was flat good, but I can't remember his name. Tonic could also be an option on your heifer.
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Re: shorthorn ai sires
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2007, 07:39:46 PM »
WHR also had a Durham Red bull when I was there that was flat good, but I can't remember his name. Tonic could also be an option on your heifer.

Tonic looked good as a calf, but how do you guys like his rear wheels?  I prefer a bull with more foot. 
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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2007, 08:08:45 PM »
I saw him back in March and he looked pretty good out with some cows. He's definitely not what I would call a massive, huge boned bull ( hence the calving ease ) but I bred him to my Augusta Pride and I thought he would work on the heifer Angus 111 has. I really liked his calves at WHR.
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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2007, 08:27:03 PM »
Don't get me wrong, He's a good bull, but I was thinking something like Wymore or Gizmo or Gold Rush would work good too. 
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