shorthorn info

can anyone provide me with pics or info on these following bulls?
3w payoff
af dividends impact
ids improver 2k
rps tribune 82

thanks

They had long legs.  (lol) They were good back then.

kiblercattle said:

can anyone provide me with pics or info on these following bulls?
3w payoff
af dividends impact
ids improver 2k
rps tribune 82

thanks

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I can probably find some pictures of most of these bulls. The only one I may not find is IDS Improver 2K and he is the only one that I was involved with. When we formed our partnership to import Irish Shorthorns, we called it the Irish Drovers and our cattle all were named with the IDS prefix. There was a very popular Irish band in Canada at the time named the Irish Rovers and we took the name from them.
Here is some info on each of these bulls:  3W Payoff was a moderate framed bull that sired many show winners in that day. Payoff sired calves with style and balance and my personal feeling was that many of them were too frail. I think he could be u used again if you are careful to use him on very stout soggy easy fleshing females. He was homozygous polled.
AF Dividends Impact is, in my opinion is the bull who made Schrag Shorthorns in S Dakota a household name.  If you have ever been to Schrag's the beautiful house there was built from the semen sales from Dividend's Impact. I can still remeeber some of the great Impact cows that were in the Schrag herd,. Dividends Impact was horned but he was a true beef bull and a very good one.
IDS Improver2K was a full Irish bull sired by Deerpark Improver and his dam was one of the best full |irish females I ever saw. In march of 1978, we attended a sale at Kansas City Mo,of Irish Shorthrons. The irish government flew a plane full of cattlefrom Ireland and sold them. We purchased 6 bred females and Deerpark Strawberry 11th was one of them. Improver 2 K was born a few weeks later. After spending close to a year on a farm less than a mile from the Canadian border, it is amazing that this bull turned out as good as he did. He was a tremendious breeding bull and I suspect that he was also TH free as I have never heard of any of his descendants that were TH carriers.Deerpark Strawberry 2nd was a daughter of Deeparrk Leader and she was flawless in her design. I will try to scan a picture of her as well. I would love to find some semen from Improver 2K and I hear that there is some still around  but I have never found any.
RPS Tribune 82 was another excellent bull from the early 80s.I did my best to buy him in Denver but didn't get it done. He was moderate framed, solid red, very thickj made and had nice muscle pattern and smoothness. I would say he was a calving ease sire as \I don't ever remember hearing of any calviung problems. He was very sound structurally. I would suggest that if you find  any semen from him, snaffle some of it up. He was a good bull.

peachy said:

They had long legs.  (lol) They were good back then.

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  Peachy I think you've nailed it. Only the 80's lasted too long.

sue said:

peachy said:

They had long legs.  (lol) They were good back then.

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  Peachy I think you've nailed it. Only the 80's lasted too long.

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Actually, I think all these bulls were not considered big framed. Probably the biggest was Improver 2K. Payoff was actually a smaller framed bull and I doubt if he ever weighed a ton. Dividend's Impact was a bit bigger but he was not a giant either. He was probably a 2200- 2300 lb bull when he was in good condition. Tribune was a very moderate framed bull and most think he must have been huge as he sired Rodeo Drive. Tribune, if alive today would be considered very moderate framed. The main comment I heard about him in that era was that he was a good bull but not nearly big enough. Actually, he was pretty close to where we should all have been.

Hey JIT, Glad to hear you think 2K is clean. I have 2 straws & know where some more is .
On Tribune I have 5 straws left. Several years ago I bought all that TimeShare had left. I sold some of it back to Pope & had to hear about forever , because I wouldn't cut him any slack on the price & he raised the bull.

Doc said:

Hey JIT, Glad to hear you think 2K is clean. I have 2 straws & know where some more is .
On Tribune I have 5 straws left. Several years ago I bought all that TimeShare had left. I sold some of it back to Pope & had to hear about forever , because I wouldn't cut him any slack on the price & he raised the bull.

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Doc, I have nothing to prove that Improver 2K was THF, other than I have just never heard of any carriers from him. If he was clean I would flush to him in a heartbeat just because of his dam. She was probably one of the very best Irish females I ever saw.

hey jit thanks for the info reasons i wanted to know about all those bulls is that we have semen in the tank that goes back to improver 2k and 3w payoff. he improver 2k is a moderate red bull that we bought in the 80's from tennesse named excitment and was champion at the cow palace.  my dad aslo did his best to buy tribune at denver i think he bid him to 25k and thought that was enough.

peachey i think you are right too about being big i have to laugh when i look at the pictures of the two time champion bull at denver that we owned. you can hardly see anyone behind him. we also bought his full brother too and i think he was even bigger lol

We had good luck with Payoff and used him with great success on heifers.  There should be a lot of semen around on him.  The calves could be colorful.  My daughter showed the reserve champion Shorthorn heifer at the Iowa Beef Expo junior show in 93.  She was a Payoff daughter out of a 7/8 Dollar II cow.  We sold her as a bred heifer at the top of the Iowa Beef Expo sale the next year to Fossil Creek in Texas and bought her back at their dispersal.  We have a daughter and several granddaughters of this cow.  I think Payoff worked best on Maine influence cows.  We had the reserve champion bull to Dividend's Impact at 2 state fairs.  He was definitely not too extreme in my opinion.   

kiblercattle said:

hey jit thanks for the info reasons i wanted to know about all those bulls is that we have semen in the tank that goes back to improver 2k and 3w payoff. he improver 2k is a moderate red bull that we bought in the 80's from tennesse named excitment and was champion at the cow palace.  my dad aslo did his best to buy tribune at denver i think he bid him to 25k and thought that was enough.

peachey i think you are right too about being big i have to laugh when i look at the pictures of the two time champion bull at denver that we owned. you can hardly see anyone behind him. we also bought his full brother too and i think he was even bigger lol

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I agree totally about many of the cattle in that era. They were ridiculously tall and I used to say that they could save a lot of money if they just had the guy carrying the shovel around the show ring place them.All the judge had to do was place them from the tallest to the shortest in each class. I still laugh when I see a picture from the 80s as they always lined up the Lassies and the owners behind the bulls, and in most of them, all you can see is some legs from the knees down. I think it is hilarious when I see these pictures. While these tall critters were the norm of the day, there were some more moderate cattle as well. I would say that most of the bulls you mentioned here were more moderate framed than many others. I think that what happened in the show rings in this era should be a lesson to us all, that being, that this is what can happen when you allow a group of college professors dictate what should be winning in the showring when most of them had no practical experience and no dogs in the race.

It was a time when you could make some good money if you found a bull that was taller than anything else being shown. I found a bull at the 1984 Regina Bull Sale that was two inches taller at the hip than any that were winning at the time in the US. The moment I read the tape, when I measured him, I knew instantly that he could be the next US National Champion bull. I gambled bigtime, and I purchased him for $15,500. Less than 24 hours later, I sold a 1/3 interest in him for $15,000, and a few months later we sold the remaining 2/3 interest and full possession for $30,000 and I kept 800 straws of semen we had collected and the Canadian semen rights. This was a bull named Glendford Curt and he went on to be US Natiional champion. I ended up throwing most of his semen away but I think there are still a few canes of it left in one of my tanks. If anyone wants it, I would sell it very reasonably

Was Tribune ever verified to be Rodeo Drives sire? Why was he "moderate" and RD a elephant? How big was the dam?


JIT, another fine example of how you play the game. You know the judges are off their rocker but you agreed with them anyway and made money. Good for you.

trevorgreycattleco said:

Was Tribune ever verified to be Rodeo Drives sire? Why was he "moderate" and RD a elephant? How big was the dam?


JIT, another fine example of how you play the game. You know the judges are off their rocker but you agreed with them anyway and made money. Good for you.

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I am like most anyone else. I make my living from my cattle so when I see an opportunity to make money I use it. Some of the best advice ever received when I was a licenced cattle dealer came from an old cattle buyer. He told me to never be afraid to buy cattle when you know someone else wants them. I think most everyone would do the same if they knew they could make some money. In regards to Rodeo Drive, I have no reason not to believe that Tribune was his sire. RD's dam was a large framed cow and that is where his size probably came from. Some of the stories about how big Rodeo Drive was are grossly exaggerated. I saw him several times in his lifetime, and he was not even close to being the biggest bull around. In fact many of his first offspring were considered to be too small for the day. He did produce some bigger framed cattle but many were quite moderate framed. I used three RD sons over the years. Two were smaller framed and one was huge, but his dam was the Miss Scarlet cow referred to in a previous thread about Shadybrook Scotty. He was from the same dam as Scotty and she weighed over a ton in her prime. Scotty, on the other hand was not huge framed and sires qukite moderate easy fleshing thick made offspring.

JIT your right .The tall ones were late 80s early 90s. Didn't Payoff throw some tall ones?

the payoff son we had came from scott woods in indiana and he wasnt a monster. he was a frame 7 and thick nothing like the green ridge red answer brothers that i mentioned above. We had a rodeo drive son that we bought from whitestone krebs he was big but not super tall and nothing to him. I think he weighed 2680 when he died. Our experiences with rodeo drive is that they have big birth weights and  are thick but maybe lacking in fertility.

Payoff did throw some calves that would be too tall for today, also some that might be considered too frail.  Those are two reasons I liked him on Maine influence cows.  He still would be a viable calving ease option and was reported to be a 100% dehorner.  

Buy em show em sell em. Then kiss and tell them. Rip off the head of elvis. Drink Fred down to his pelvis. My favorite George Jones song. Would it be possible to check Tribune semen against Rodeo Drive semen for parentage? I guess the bad side to that would be 75% of the breed goes back to RD. I was thinking that payoff was really hard keeping but I don't know.

well beings who bred rodeo drive anythings possible. i know a guy who sold them a trailer load of chiania bulls not saying that anything funny went on but things arent always what they seem

justintime, not to change the subject but you seem to be very up to date on your shorthorn history. what can you tell me about weston shorthorns my grandparents bought a white  bull named weston dingo from them in the 70's that was extremely popular in the northwest. everybody says how good the females out of him were and how the bulls sold like mad. i was kinda curious about the history them and the quality of there cows

Do you have some Tribune semen you're trying to unload??

That bull is anything but moderate.

"Face it" the 80 era preached anything but moderate and we did a damn fine job of making em grow.


I have a stack of 80's and 90's SH countries to feet from me . Take a look at page 56 in the 86' herd sire issue. You do not see anything but the lassies nickers and I cant even make out the top of any of the 5 people's Heads  standing behind that big bull. If Im 60 inches then that bull was all of 70 plus inches at the hip?

Sorry folks I grew up in that era . Judge on a college team, big big big.

Sue, I will agree with you that almost every animal shown in the 80s was ridiculously big.... but there were a few exceptions. I remember Tribune in Denver 1984. I really liked him despite most everyone saying he was too small. He was a  July yearling and weighed in at the show at 1430 lbs and with Ralph Pope looking after him, he didn't miss many meals. I dug out the show book from that year and I had wrote down his stats as I liked him as good as any bull in the barns. I doubt if you would find many 18 months old bulls today being shown that weighed 1430 lbs.  He was sired by Surge and was from a 2975 daughter that was a Super Flag daughter of the old Ellen cow that Cagwin purchased here in Saskatchewan.That was the only time I ever saw Tribune but he stood out at that show simply because he wasn't goof ball huge.