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Offline clipperlice

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Show ring ethics
« on: May 11, 2006, 09:43:04 AM »
Hey guys...I know this is a steer site, but this bears food for thought.  Link on to    www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3803781

Let me know what you think!?
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2006, 08:16:21 PM »
That is completely relevant.  People have gone to a win at all cost attitude and it can be seen why with the cash prizes getting bigger every year.  It has always been around, but I believe it is more prevalant now.  It is just like Bonds, who is juicing to hit more homeruns, be more famous, and make more money.
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2006, 08:17:29 PM »
Also some of the Parents will plop down 25 grand on a cattle, have a guy take care of it, and have there kid sit in the ring so they can collect cash and some prestige of winning the show.
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2006, 08:59:37 PM »
I'm 65; been selling steers since i was 9 and the shows have really changed.  You get people going completely crazy over the $$$ their steers bring. I still have a lot fun though and I don't make it a huge deal how much my steers sell for. I meet my competitors, say hi to friends, and always have a good time. The thing is you have good shows and bads shows.

I take a lot of pride in raising my steer on my own. I put hours of work on my steer since the day they were  born.   I serously hope the drugging thing doesn't become a prroblem. It will take away all the good times people have.
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 11:09:58 AM »
I'm 65; been selling steers since i was 9 and the shows have really changed.  You get people going completely crazy over the $$ their steers bring. I still have a lot fun though and I don't make it a huge deal how much my steers sell for. I meet my competitors, say hi to friends, and always have a good time. The thing is you have good shows and bads shows.

I take a lot of pride in raising my steer on my own. I put hours of work on my steer since the day they were  born.   I serously hope the drugging thing doesn't become a prroblem. It will take away all the good times people have.

I'm with you all the way.
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 04:11:13 PM »
???....Well, with the super attorney that used to represent Timothy McVeigh, do you think the three 18 year olds will get off???  Their defense is going to say that the lambs were unsupervised the night after the sale.  Now I don't know about you guys, but do you really think someone is going to find all the lambs from OKLAHOMA and needle them to make the exhibitors look bad??  Dream on, I hardly think so.

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2006, 03:20:52 PM »
All of them are, in my opinion, 100% guilty.  Sadly, there's a good chance they're going to get away with it. If the National Western officials could have handled the situation better, there couldn't have been some criminal charges. All I see for the future is more strict security and testing at shows.

I seriously hope I'm wrong. :-\
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2006, 03:28:13 PM »
The whole thing angers me. I believe they will get caught. They has to be some way some sanctions will be taken against the competitors. I see life ban from shows and possibly jail ;D  because of animal cruelty.

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 05:07:43 PM »
I'm with joe.  8)

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 04:50:55 PM »
Hey hold onto your hats, the National Western has a new format for how much money the juniors can hold onto.  Word on the street is that the big time fitters are ticked!  The winner has 50%of the sale amount put in an educational trust fund, only to be used for education.  The sale keeps 10% for scholarship fund and the winner can immediately have 40%.   Doesnt leave much to pay the hard core fitter!!!  HA  (Unless those 30 year old 4-Hers want to go to school later!  Ha!)  ;)
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2007, 06:02:50 PM »
That's FUNNY.  ;D I had no idea.

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 06:31:12 PM »
Hey hold onto your hats, the National Western has a new format for how much money the juniors can hold onto.  Word on the street is that the big time fitters are ticked!  The winner has 50%of the sale amount put in an educational trust fund, only to be used for education.  The sale keeps 10% for scholarship fund and the winner can immediately have 40%.   Doesnt leave much to pay the hard core fitter!!!  HA  (Unless those 30 year old 4-Hers want to go to school later!  Ha!)  ;)

I heard this, too. The big time fitters are probably going crazy.

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 09:56:57 PM »
as a man soweth, so shall he reapeth.

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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 10:26:08 PM »
I knew a boy a few years ago who got caught with the same substance that is mentioned in the article.  He won several big shows with lambs and calves and was stripped when he was caught.  I live less than an hour from where the kid who had the champion lamb lives and have bought lambs and rams in his city.  I wanted a man from there to judge our local show and that was denied.  Some thought he was guilty of helping animals to win because he often won, but the man who faught it the most was the man whose nephew was caught and lost his ability to show.... winning is not anything great if done illegally or unethically, but it is a shame.
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Re: Show ring ethics
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2007, 06:31:45 AM »
Ohio has had it's share of scandals within the state & county show levels. We seem to hold our breath until after the drug tests to know if the grand champions passed their tests. i do think putting a cap on the grand champion steer at the state fair has helped some too. More of the money gets spread around.
We still have people that were banned participating. They just might not be in the front & center.
It's too bad when a kid gets penalized for something an adult has done. ???

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