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RyanChandler

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What oulets are available to test some calves for who their sire is?  Thinking my cattle skills would prevail in identifying the sire of each calf (lol) I  turned two bulls into the same group of cows. Now that they're calving...I'm just constantly second guessing myself as to who's whose.
 

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Are they registered? As I understand each different Associations use different labs. With this situation though, I think if you sent in hair on both sires that would give them the comparison they would need.
 

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knabe said:
Have you registered previously under similar situations?
No.  Ive just heard about hair testing for parentage so I was curious as to who or what people used.  There's about 8 calves in question.
 

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They will need both bulls on file. They need something to compair them to. You cant just send the calves hair in and get one or the other. Both sires will need to be there.
 

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To parentage verify here you need the possible sires hair as well as the dam's hair and the calf's hair.
 

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when it comes to parentage XBAR is no XPERT. just like MJ. (lol) (lol)
 

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doc-sun said:
when it comes to parentage XBAR is no XPERT. just like MJ. (lol) (lol)
I'm pretty proficient there buddy  O0



I'll call the association tomorrow and find out what lab I need to go through. Thanks for all the feedback.
 

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What about if the grandsire was on file?  Say you have an Ali son and another son by another bull.  Could they tell you which grandsire it could be, w/ having the sire on file??
 

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I don't think the confidence level would be as high IF they could even use a grandsire's DNA on file. The highest level of confidence you could have would be to submit samples from all the calves, all the dams, and both sires. Since you just need to verify the calves to their sire, though, all you really need is DNA from each calf and ONE of the two possible sires. Any calf that doesn't test to that sire, you can assume is sired by the other bull.

You can check with either Igenity or GeneSeek...I don't think you necessarily need the lab your brewed association uses because your not required by the association to verify the sire...your doing this to verify your own records. Unless you're reporting the use of a two-sire pasture & the association requires proof of parentage...you may have to pay a little more than you normally would for just the parentage test, which I think you can have done for about $15 a head. Don't hold me to that, but I think that's close.
 

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Does the American Shorthorn Assoc make it mandatory that all sires have DNA verification/Hair sample on file?
 

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TPX said:
Does the American Shorthorn Assoc make it mandatory that all sires have DNA verification/Hair sample on file?

I found the answer on there website.

1. General: Animals do not have to be DNA genotyped to be registered. However, if an animal becomes an A.I. sire or a donor dam, all required genetic testing must be completed and a DNA genotype record on file with the ASA prior to registering any progeny. In the event the A.I. sire, donor dam or cloned animal had not been DNA genotyped prior to death, ASA shall make a determination as to the appropriateness of issuing an A.I. certificate or E.T. certificate on a case-by-case basis. If any A.I sire, donor dam or cloned animal has died and was born after January 1, 2006, the required DNA genotype and genetic defect test results must be on file in order to register progeny.

I can't believe that a breed in this day and age doesn't make it mandatory that all sires have DNA samples on file.  A lot of breeds are now requiring that any purebred herd sires are both sire and dam DNA verified.  I know the Canadian Angus Assoc was going to implement that rule this year but faced some push back and have now pushed the implement date back.  I think its a good thing as its a way to ensure breed integrity and purity and the cost of a DNA test is not that much and taking a hair sample is pretty darn easy. 
 

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I can't answer that question for Shorthorn, but I would be very, very surprised surprised if that required of every sire. I would think a lot of people out there would see that as a hassle and a reason not to buy, sell, raise, or run Shorthorn bulls, and the association wouldn't want that! I could be wrong...I don't deal with Shorthorns. It might be, though, that DNA is required in order for a bull to be used through AI...especially with all the genetic defects we know about now and the possibility that an AI sire can have a significant impact on the breed's population, I think that makes sense. Simmental requires DNA on all AI sires as well as donor females.
 

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TPX said:
TPX said:
Does the American Shorthorn Assoc make it mandatory that all sires have DNA verification/Hair sample on file?

I found the answer on there website.

1. General: Animals do not have to be DNA genotyped to be registered. However, if an animal becomes an A.I. sire or a donor dam, all required genetic testing must be completed and a DNA genotype record on file with the ASA prior to registering any progeny. In the event the A.I. sire, donor dam or cloned animal had not been DNA genotyped prior to death, ASA shall make a determination as to the appropriateness of issuing an A.I. certificate or E.T. certificate on a case-by-case basis. If any A.I sire, donor dam or cloned animal has died and was born after January 1, 2006, the required DNA genotype and genetic defect test results must be on file in order to register progeny.

I can't believe that a breed in this day and age doesn't make it mandatory that all sires have DNA samples on file.  A lot of breeds are now requiring that any purebred herd sires are both sire and dam DNA verified.  I know the Canadian Angus Assoc was going to implement that rule this year but faced some push back and have now pushed the implement date back.  I think its a good thing as its a way to ensure breed integrity and purity and the cost of a DNA test is not that much and taking a hair sample is pretty darn easy. 

Couldn't agree with you more.  The Shorthorn association doesn't even require ANY performance reporting! It's a joke imo.  The response I was given as to why they don't mandate it was, " The people that don't report actuals now would only make up numbers to satisfy the assoc.  as a large % of the members don't  have any interest in performance." Sickening.


The grandsires of the calves in question are Bonanza and Dover.  Maybe pfizer has them on file.
 
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