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idalee said:
Medium Rare,  I have three Native cows that somewhat fit what  you are looking for but I don't have all the data you require.  BW,  WW  and some YW is all that I have.    Some would call me a hobby breeder but our cattle never see grain,  only hay when the pastures play out,  and their natural fleshing ability gets them fat on that program.
<band> This is where I am heading! Sold my first breeding females last week, after 15 years of breeding Shorthorns! Couldn't bring myself to sell something I wouldn't use myself.
 

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I bought a bull at Lovings ......that I think has an old timey look. Lot 6. Deep ribbed, not tall, kinda average on things but all traits above average. No old time genetics but I think kind of fits the bill.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Like to see some pictures of the 4.5 frame 1250-1400 pounders-gotta be stout O0
  Here are the pictures you requested.  I don't measure and weigh every cow but I think these are approximately frame score 4, 1250-1400 pound cows. The first one is what I consider to be my best cow.
 

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Thanks-they look kind what I thought they would look like and take me back alot of years-to me-they favor the Dover and Ralph Larson cattle. Back in the day-2975 really worked on ones like these over the Dairy blood like Ayatollah.They maintained the depth of body and maybe gained thickness in some cases. AND NO NOT EVERYONE OF THEM WERE BAD UDDERED Seen alot of cattle that went back to Warrior-such as some of the other Kimhillhills-Augusta Prides, and way earlier.His dam was a 2975-Af Deerpark Kimilhill-CCS Kimillhill that Wankel showed I believe went back to him too-beautiful thick cow. The fullblood maines that Doc Son has posted on here have really evolved all the way around-First and foremost BWS-Structure etc.They in some cases are related to G-9 and 2975-through Cunia. BUT- I would like to see some from the best breeding Proud Jazz son I have seen OF ALL-(I could put together a BOOK of really good progeny-that are low bw 6 years worth of calves totalling at least 80 on one farm They are correct and GROW Pictured is an A Typical long yearling son-who reminds me very much of the White hiefers sire from Montana posted awhile back KC clipper Duke I think) With a very moderate BW this caf is deceptively heavy-and weighs over 1300 pounds-but is MAYBE a frame 5 max-at 13 or so months, His sire would definitely work-and would weigh maybe 23-2400 fat-about a 5 frame-0 -1.2 BW-triple clean. Alot of the old breeding is there both proud jazz and Irish-which would knick with yours JMO. I know point blank in type they would. O0
 

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Thank you.  I don't mind having them being compared to Dover and Ralph Larson cattle.  They work for me.  I really appreciate the disposition on these cattle as my rodeo days are behind me.  All my cattle are developed without grain so that I can identify the ones that can not thrive in an all forage environment.
 

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Those are nice cows,  Beebe.  They are so well balanced,  I would have guessed they were bigger than that. 
 

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idalee said:
Those are nice cows,  Beebe.  They are so well balanced,  I would have guessed they were bigger than that.
Thank you.  The two on the bottom are daughters of DMH Minn Max Leader.  He is just about a frame score 4.
 

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Good question.  He is a chunk, maybe 1800.  That is just a guess.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
I would like to see some from the best breeding Proud Jazz son I have seen OF ALL-

Who is this?

Im going back using a 10yr old JPJ son this year over the type of cows you describe. Reduce frame, add upper rib, add muscle-- I think this is going to be a really good cross as well.
 

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He is very thin in the picture-after the Iowa drouth and a bad winter but coming around-Hes first bull on the left-but hes sired some really good show and commercially oriented calves that make good bulls and cows I just dont have room for many Will on here has seen the females too-Hes triple clean PROVEN CE-Proud Jazz X a full sib to KABA Rose And-hes for sale or lease-My pics are horrible,including the young calf pictured  above in this thread -you"d have to see them. O0
 

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That’s about as fat as he’d ever get at my place.  I’ve been looking for a mature white bull.  Jazz son makes it all the better. Send me some contact info on him please
903.819.9955 [email protected]

Here’s a cpl 4-4.5 frame 1150 max type cows.  A 1400lb cow on this frame is a huge cow that I can’t imagine being even close to able to weaning half her weight.
 

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Doc said:
GM said:
Dairy, and TH.

In the day Clark did a lot of good with some daughters and granddaughters. As far as Improver goes, TH or no TH, he flat produced some females. Look at the line of Margies.// Dont forget Improvers Stride-and Brookwood Gladiator his full sib IN BLOOD both out of KABA ROSE and her full sib-I saw some very nice famales out of both of them from Tennessee etc=PS I ended up with a bunch of Gladiator semen if you ever want to do a little trading O0 O0
 
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