Hammertime. We kept a bull out of him, we like what he does, keeps or adds a little frame to moderate ones and has ample muscle and a great center body with a nice front. We also used W/C Password of Griswolds, hes a full brother to Relentless, but has a little more muscle. Not sure if he will add frame or not, but some of his bulls are in Ohlrichs online sale if you want to check them out. Thats how I found him to begin with. Very consistent group.