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Was the heifer fed very much grain or show ration during her last trimester or was she on pasture only?  Thanks for your response


To the OP, Rocky Balboa would be an option first time around as well...G-Luck

If she's really that good, put an Angus bull with predictable genetics on her.. for more than just her first calf.. something to add a little more cushion off both ends, lengthen out that hip, keep some rib & add a shot of maternal to resulting heifers. Rodman has proven himself multiple times & seems to pass on 'the look'.  Darkhorse created quite the stir, as did Style. Or you could go with the 2011 NAILE & 2012 NWSS Champion, First Impression.

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P.S. Before you knock the idea-- what's the pedigree of that one bull.. Heatwave X ANGUS?... oh yeah, Monopoly is his name.

I realize anything can happen, and it could just be a fluke, but we cut a 110# heifer out of a first calver, that was bred to Rodman.  Mama still hasn't stood.  I'm just saying these "surefire" calving ease Angus can have some trouble too.
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Calving ease... Angus, Red Angus, possibly Hereford. Look for structural integrity, maternal and  something with outcross potential... JMO. Take advantage of her near perfect phenotype and add some functionality. Bull or heifer calf. You still come out a winner IMO.
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Ist calf? Breathe Easy, Dirty Harry 2 ,Ali 2 etc have all produced real good calves-After that-huge amount of choices already listed,-Personally-I think some Maine would be good or a variation,Gucci,Rumer Mill,Avatar,etc-Or something like Mojito-if her Bws arent too big. O0

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putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Well apparently, you haven't been around the livestock industry much than. LOL

What you just said had 2 be one of the dumbest things ever.... It's Called Genes! 

you have apparently not been around the club calf industry much then... where two things happen-- 1: zero animals have a consistent set of genetics to allow for predictablly breeding on traits-- and 2: bulls and genetics come in the flavor of the week package...
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putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Well apparently, you haven't been around the livestock industry much than. LOL

What you just said had 2 be one of the dumbest things ever.... It's Called Genes! 
You haven't a clue what you're talking about.  I suggest you take advice from those clearly in the know.  Being competitive in the show ring and having the consistency bred in to replicate themselves have absolutely nothing in common.  

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No grain, out on pasture, with just a protein and mineral supplement.  Treated the same as everyone else who calved just fine to pure Shorthorn and a couple Salers bulls.  Heifer is a Full FlushXGringo.

Was the heifer fed very much grain or show ration during her last trimester or was she on pasture only?  Thanks for your response


To the OP, Rocky Balboa would be an option first time around as well...G-Luck

If she's really that good, put an Angus bull with predictable genetics on her.. for more than just her first calf.. something to add a little more cushion off both ends, lengthen out that hip, keep some rib & add a shot of maternal to resulting heifers. Rodman has proven himself multiple times & seems to pass on 'the look'.  Darkhorse created quite the stir, as did Style. Or you could go with the 2011 NAILE & 2012 NWSS Champion, First Impression.

-Sam

P.S. Before you knock the idea-- what's the pedigree of that one bull.. Heatwave X ANGUS?... oh yeah, Monopoly is his name.

I realize anything can happen, and it could just be a fluke, but we cut a 110# heifer out of a first calver, that was bred to Rodman.  Mama still hasn't stood.  I'm just saying these "surefire" calving ease Angus can have some trouble too.

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No grain, out on pasture, with just a protein and mineral supplement.  Treated the same as everyone else who calved just fine to pure Shorthorn and a couple Salers bulls.  Heifer is a Full FlushXGringo.

Was the heifer fed very much grain or show ration during her last trimester or was she on pasture only?  Thanks for your response


To the OP, Rocky Balboa would be an option first time around as well...G-Luck

If she's really that good, put an Angus bull with predictable genetics on her.. for more than just her first calf.. something to add a little more cushion off both ends, lengthen out that hip, keep some rib & add a shot of maternal to resulting heifers. Rodman has proven himself multiple times & seems to pass on 'the look'.  Darkhorse created quite the stir, as did Style. Or you could go with the 2011 NAILE & 2012 NWSS Champion, First Impression.

-Sam

P.S. Before you knock the idea-- what's the pedigree of that one bull.. Heatwave X ANGUS?... oh yeah, Monopoly is his name.

I realize anything can happen, and it could just be a fluke, but we cut a 110# heifer out of a first calver, that was bred to Rodman.  Mama still hasn't stood.  I'm just saying these "surefire" calving ease Angus can have some trouble too.

how was this heifer genetically different, or the same as the rest? 

I have found that protein lick tubs are a terrible thing to toss out for upcoming calving first calf heifers, especially those that are about half molasis.  Some animals sit and lick all day long-- and that extra protein is enough to boost up calving dificulty and BW faster than anything else comibined. 
This can work for, or against you.  I have found that in really, really poor pastures, and times of super high stress- like summer heat--- thiese are good things to have on hand...  They're also kinda ok to use during the right kind of a winter... I would NEVER use them during the spring calving time with lush, growing grass.... 

How did the other Angus sired calves turn out?  No mention of that-- just shorthorn and saler.  If she was the only one you mated Angus-- then that alone is a reason for her to have a problem.  Why was she the only one mated that way...
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Would have to agree with x bar seen some outstanding calves win in the show ring but once kicked out never produce.
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putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Your telling me our IRISH WHISKEY x 485 Donor (who made who) heifers wont ever raise a thing. Because there mom is GREAT and just last year her 4 calves added up to 76k. Vicklands purchased the high selling heatwave x 485 heifer, FOR A DONOR.... The  Heatwve x 485 high selling steer is at bonhams....NOT FOR SALE....Baylor is showing him in the future. I tell yah when we virgin flush that irish whiskey, and she has her 2 or 3 great calves you my sir are going to be the first to know.


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Would have to agree with x bar seen some outstanding calves win in the show ring but once kicked out never produce.

im not saying all good heifers will turn out to raise something, im just saying this one isn't a slouch.

You'll never know until she calves...
putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Your telling me our IRISH WHISKEY x 485 Donor (who made who) heifers wont ever raise a thing. Because there mom is GREAT and just last year her 4 calves added up to 76k. Vicklands purchased the high selling heatwave x 485 heifer, FOR A DONOR.... The  Heatwve x 485 high selling steer is at bonhams....NOT FOR SALE....Baylor is showing him in the future. I tell yah when we virgin flush that irish whiskey, and she has her 2 or 3 great calves you my sir are going to be the first to know.


Virgin flush?  This doll house talk is making me sick.

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Would have to agree with x bar seen some outstanding calves win in the show ring but once kicked out never produce.

im not saying all good heifers will turn out to raise something, im just saying this one isn't a slouch.

You'll never know until she calves...
putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Your telling me our IRISH WHISKEY x 485 Donor (who made who) heifers wont ever raise a thing. Because there mom is GREAT and just last year her 4 calves added up to 76k. Vicklands purchased the high selling heatwave x 485 heifer, FOR A DONOR.... The  Heatwve x 485 high selling steer is at bonhams....NOT FOR SALE....Baylor is showing him in the future. I tell yah when we virgin flush that irish whiskey, and she has her 2 or 3 great calves you my sir are going to be the first to know.


Virgin flush?  This doll house talk is making me sick.


Do you not know what that is???

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In answer to original question - I'd go Northern Improvement in a heartbeat for her first calf.  There have been plenty of top end show calves out of him and "steer-oriented" mommas.  If I dont have my wires crossed, the Champ AOB heifer this year at Houston (raised by Sullivan, showed by Elder) was a Northern Improvement out of a crossbred cow.  Ive seen it before.

For steer production in future years, purebred Charolais (steer oriented) all the way.  When it comes time, call Kris Black for a recommendation.

In regards to the discussion concerning the big calf outof an Angus bull, that happens all the time but you are judt trying to reduce risk.  No guarantees.  In that case, my money goes on the Full Throttle genetics rearing their head.  For those of you that gripe about calving difficulty of Heat Wave, I dont think he has anything on Throttle.


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Would have to agree with x bar seen some outstanding calves win in the show ring but once kicked out never produce.

im not saying all good heifers will turn out to raise something, im just saying this one isn't a slouch.

You'll never know until she calves...
putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Your telling me our IRISH WHISKEY x 485 Donor (who made who) heifers wont ever raise a thing. Because there mom is GREAT and just last year her 4 calves added up to 76k. Vicklands purchased the high selling heatwave x 485 heifer, FOR A DONOR.... The  Heatwve x 485 high selling steer is at bonhams....NOT FOR SALE....Baylor is showing him in the future. I tell yah when we virgin flush that irish whiskey, and she has her 2 or 3 great calves you my sir are going to be the first to know.


Virgin flush?  This doll house talk is making me sick.


Do you not know what that is???
The practice of greedy multipliers who have lost sight of functional beef cattle selection protocol.

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BC Lookout would not be a bad choice for first calf.  I-80 not a bad choice either.  Endlest possibilities after first or second calf.  Good luck with her!!!

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putting the cart before the horse aren't ya?  In three years something better will be out-- why not wait until then?

I've never seen a truly dominant breeding animal in the show ring turn into something truly outstanding in the breeding pen...



Your telling me our IRISH WHISKEY x 485 Donor (who made who) heifers wont ever raise a thing. Because there mom is GREAT and just last year her 4 calves added up to 76k. Vicklands purchased the high selling heatwave x 485 heifer, FOR A DONOR.... The  Heatwve x 485 high selling steer is at bonhams....NOT FOR SALE....Baylor is showing him in the future. I tell yah when we virgin flush that irish whiskey, and she has her 2 or 3 great calves you my sir are going to be the first to know.



What does a I.W. x 485 cow have to do with the center of attention on this thread-- a heifer who's Hollywood/ Checks/ Who Made Who??

Last I checked- this thread was about a heifer who the only thing similar in pedigree to the nonsense you  just posted-- is Who Made Who-- who's at least 2 generations away from anything.

What does having a great crossed up, mutt-y mom have to do with anything?  I bet some would call Heatwave's mother great-- and she sure couldn't produce a daughter worth looking at. 

If you flush a cow, and implant 200 eggs-- you're bound to get a good one, heck even a great one.  It's the law of the land and probabilities. 

I tell you what- when the time comes, and this one that you keep blabbering about has a great one, either one of them-- you just go right ahead and let me know, but only on one account.  I want to see every calf out of her- every single calf--- and I bet there are 200% more average ones than great ones. 

So, when's this love bird, virgin flush going to happen?  May as well do it when she's 12 months old- to get those calves on the ground quicker, and then I'd breed that heifer to the number 1 hottest steer bull in the country HEATWAVE- may as well shoot for the gold and cash in on her quicker.  She's so good, it would be crazy not to invest a couple hundred dollar stick of juice in her-- I mean, her offspring are guaranteed great ones; who'll dominate the show ring right? 
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