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Terminal Angus bull ?
« on: March 23, 2011, 08:08:09 AM »
    I know this may seem to be a stupid question, but is there an Angus bull that a person might consider terminal? I am thinking that he should be a bull that makes fast growing feeders that cut good, with no intention to keep his daughters as replacements. Is there such a thing ?

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 10:12:55 AM »
Not a stupid question at all.....and a topic that I am sure would spur much debate.  I believe there are a lot of "terminal" angus bulls that are heavily used today.  Some of these heavily used and promoted bulls seem to me to be a charolais painted black. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 10:51:07 AM »
some might consider a black Charolais the ideal beef bull.....

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 10:56:45 AM »
      I raised Charolais cattle in the 70s, and up until a short time ago I believed that it was impossible to breed or produce a black , purebred charolais. I guess that I am still amazed at the thought.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 11:07:42 AM »
I saw something a year or two ago on RFD about a herd of Black Charolais cattle.  I am pretty sure they do exist. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 11:50:26 AM »
Yes they do exist and if you do a google search there is a ranch in Kansas that has some black Charolais bulls.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 01:16:47 PM »
There is some red purebred Charolais bulls producing black calves out of black angus cows , there is a group of black half blood heifer calves on their mothers selling in Gordon at TK angus this sunday ....He has a bull called SAN DAN THRIPLE  THREAT  that is the sire and he also sold a half blood bull earlier for 5000.00 at his bull sale ...His bull has a lot more looks than the typical bulls raised in Canada and down in Kansas ,they might put on a lot of ibs but have no chance in the clubby calves ....I'm like Olsen I have raised Charolais cattle for fifty years and did not think a chance of growing black charolais... The funny part was that we even had the cattle to do it when we first started our herd ....My dad and uncles bought a load of Charolais cows from Miechalis Ranch at Kyle and half of them were red ,and if we had just started breeding them back to red bulls we would have had black Charolais ...

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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 03:08:41 PM »
    I know this may seem to be a stupid question, but is there an Angus bull that a person might consider terminal? I am thinking that he should be a bull that makes fast growing feeders that cut good, with no intention to keep his daughters as replacements. Is there such a thing ?
Well for what its worth i believe, considering all the numbers and such. BC RAVEN maybe your best bet. His milk EPD is very low.
Another one is OLC POWERSTROKE from Quirck Land & Cattle. He can really pack the pounds.
A neighbor asked me this very question a few weeks ago. He was think of going to a couple of PB angus sales and pick up 8 or so bulls. He wanted a high BW, low MILK, and good yearling weights. I told him he had a pretty good idea of what he wanted and told him that he may get the bulls pretty cheap because of his specifications. He came back to me... said he bought 7 bulls. Never paide more than 2500 for em. I congratulated him on the nice buys.
Plus 10 points for this guy.  O0
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 04:19:33 PM »
Sedgewick's Powerstroke (and they look good too)
Hunt's Calculator (if you can find the semen - try SEK)
SAF Fame

JMHO
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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 04:29:26 PM »
For my pick it would be a bull like Hoff Limited Edition http://www.universalsemensales.com/detail_angus.php?angus_id=87
Also GT Shock and Awe not used this bull but think he would fit he is in the Semex List http://issuu.com/semex2010/docs/2011beefcatalogue

Maybe with not quiet as much growth but still fit the bill BC Marathon http://www.universalsemensales.com/detail_angus.php?angus_id=13
Maybe consider SAV Net Worth and SAV Predominant. IMO like Marathon with these three bulls having plenty of muscle not enough growth for me but I am different.  ;D

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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 04:39:40 PM »
    I know this may seem to be a stupid question, but is there an Angus bull that a person might consider terminal? I am thinking that he should be a bull that makes fast growing feeders that cut good, with no intention to keep his daughters as replacements. Is there such a thing ?
Well for what its worth i believe, considering all the numbers and such. BC RAVEN maybe your best bet. His milk EPD is very low.
Another one is OLC POWERSTROKE from Quirck Land & Cattle. He can really pack the pounds.
A neighbor asked me this very question a few weeks ago. He was think of going to a couple of PB angus sales and pick up 8 or so bulls. He wanted a high BW, low MILK, and good yearling weights. I told him he had a pretty good idea of what he wanted and told him that he may get the bulls pretty cheap because of his specifications. He came back to me... said he bought 7 bulls. Never paide more than 2500 for em. I congratulated him on the nice buys.
Plus 10 points for this guy.  O0


We used Raven on a simmental cow and the calf gained 5 lbs a day, he was a pretty neat steer. Should have finished around 1300, but the kids that purchased him were unsure of how to feed a steer.........long story short they were feeding him close to 50lbs corn a day, anything that can gain 5 lbs a day on that ration and not die should work pretty good in the pasture.

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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 08:37:37 PM »
Freddy,

The black Charolais came from using red factor bulls on black cows and then recording the black calves.  They then got a heterozygous 7/8 black Charolais of sufficient quality and used him on purebred cows.  A few other blood lines came into the mix, but the main breeders are the Steve Quinton, Hendrik Rasmussen and Janice Sproule.  The best red factor bull from a show point of view is HEJ Ripper- very complete.  The blaqck have yet to produce a bull worthy of general use in the seed stock business -yet.

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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 10:36:21 PM »
Back to the topic of the post.  The ultimate Terminal Angus is a bull called Dalrene Cruz 11F and his descendants.  These cattle are high growth for an Angus but the thing to remember is that they pack muscle like a Limousin.  Check out Oakchurch Dictator a Cruz son: http://www.genusbreeding.co.uk/documents/upload/Aberdeen_Angus_Prem_Collection_April_09.pdf
Another UK terminal sire: http://www.beefsemenonline.co.uk/aberdeen_angus/jeremy_info.htm 

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 10:57:13 PM »
Back to the topic of the post.  The ultimate Terminal Angus is a bull called Dalrene Cruz 11F and his descendants.  These cattle are high growth for an Angus but the thing to remember is that they pack muscle like a Limousin.  Check out Oakchurch Dictator a Cruz son: http://www.genusbreeding.co.uk/documents/upload/Aberdeen_Angus_Prem_Collection_April_09.pdf
 

That bull has an amazing amount of muscle for a pure angus has he been DNAed. Hard to believe he is pure.

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Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 07:30:43 AM »
why do you want big-butted cattle like the Belgian Blue X Angus AKA purebred Angus in the photo - in fact why is it desirable to have a huge-butted market calf of any breed?  It causes nothing but trouble as in hip locked and the resulting retail beef product, round steak, is about the cheapest cut and most difficult to market - just sayin....

 

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