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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #150 on: September 03, 2022, 10:05:07 PM »
You are right-with all the trials and tribulations even generations away (Double stuff on a great g daughter of dividend etc) THE DIVIDEND IMPROVER CROSS HAD A CATALYST of some kind that is hard to explain-BUT IT ALWAYS SEEMED TO exemplify the posistive rather than negative attributes of both sides. Robert Alden certainly proved that, for the 31 years Ive known the AF deal. He also bred MANY other scenarios. He remains the most active breeder to incorporate all manners of pedigrees and breeding scenarios of anyone I know in Shorthorns and plusses. And it worked well alot of the time. O0

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« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2022, 09:53:24 PM »
with 3 defects in developmental genes, it's no wonder triple stuff has something mysterious.


test the triples that are good, and if they don't have one defect, i'll be impressed.
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« Reply #152 on: September 05, 2022, 03:40:26 PM »
FIRST OF ALL ALMOST EVERYTHING HAS DS IN THEORY-THO I AND MANY OTHERS HAVE NEVER SEEN A DS CALF-THAT WAS CRIPPLED IVE SEEN HUNDREDS THAT WERENT. THERE AGAIN-thats out in the regular every day deal.Not test tube world.  Just ask Robert Alden or me about TH DS -and in Roberts case all three. From line bred-ImproverxDouble stuff or Double visions etc etc.At Deertrail we had a bunch of daughters of a bull I called UB DTR Junior Walker-That was back when the cattle werent tested but some of his daughters that were-tested triple clean That would be on every one but Deertrail Sue She was TH The last one we tested is still around 4282672  Nancy G Heeter tested her and two daughters in 2016.ALL TESTED  CLEAN OF TH and PHA The 2016 daughter was sired by Taffeta-Money Man-who was out of a Junior Walker Grand daughter-So line bred both sides THE FIRST DAUGHTER of DEERTRAIL TAFFETA BY Junior Walker (UB TAFFETA) was sired by RHF Magnum the worst bull for TH disasters we ever used.The bad ones came out of cows that went back to Mill Brooke Mark 4 and Hilltop Breeding. I have never heard of deformed calves from that breeding but Magnum threw a bunch of them. Magnum was a HI $ bull but went to town. That Magnum sired Taffeta female ( DOUBLE TH?) was showed by Tyler Atwood and had several calves commercial and otherwise-SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MESS-she wasnt and neither were any of her calves. IN FACT SHE HAD A CALF BY A HERD BULL FROM MY MAGNUM-CUMBERLAND CALLED CRAFTSMAN-A third possible TH . He never sired any monsters either.  Nancy didnt have time to use the long drawn out process-But she was president of the Shorthorn ASSOC so if she said SEKS tests were clean in 2016- they were clean. Junior Walker was TH and DS He only had one full calf crop and a smaller number the next year I bought one of the  last junior Walker females SHE GOT BRED to 20 20 Vision for a first calf while being showed by a friend of the family.-No problem heifer calf. Bartels bros in Nebraska bought a white bull calf (Deertrail White Lightning) that was a son who they registered 64 head to in their herd . Many of their cattle were real clubby by that time (1999) with all the scoundrels in the background. The one brother told me at Louisville they never had a th disaster calf he knew of. So there seems to be some kind of TH strain at least that varies in strength. I am sure there are a ton of clean ones from TH x TH matings elsewhere. Not that Id ever knowingly try that. And we test anything that might be suspect. O0
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« Reply #153 on: September 11, 2022, 11:25:22 AM »
are all the offspring mentioned traceable with DNA parentage tested clean in the shorthorn database, or are the results kept private.


please provide examples instead of anecdotes.


sure seems like these magical cattle should have taken over the industry by now and replaced angus.
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« Reply #154 on: September 15, 2022, 03:33:14 PM »
Ask the former president of the American Shorthorn Assoc Nancy Heeter who tested 4 out of the 6 animals listed She didnt feel like waiting 3 months to get results After running KABSU she has been in bovine genetics for years-So she got them tested and had no reason cater to you or anyone else. I tested JR Walker who was born in 1997 and several but not all of his daughters and some grandaughters Very few of these cattle are around anymore. there was only one TH female. Deertrail Sue.I am speaking of cattle many of which were around before testing And about cattle that did not HAVE DEFORMED CALVES but should have. Thats what I am talking about not the political speedbump bu!#$%&*sh#%^&t trying to get results at the association and their payola test or no recordation at all-From accurate llegitimate labs that test alot of different breeds just fine.  I dont live in a smug self satisfied test tube world and do not care to. Lets see the tests on all 4 of your herd cowboy O0
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #155 on: September 16, 2022, 02:23:09 AM »
You know how to look it up huckleberry.

Your pants arent tight enough.
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« Reply #156 on: September 16, 2022, 11:20:27 PM »
 Thats because Im straight O0

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« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2022, 04:57:39 PM »
Thats because Im straight O0


straight up in your pants!


glad i can still turn you on.
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« Reply #158 on: September 19, 2022, 11:12:20 PM »
????? You and sarrenon are two dreamboys that are destined to be strangers in the night  The Polynesian Cabanna boy meets a gerbile busting cowboy of the San Fran Cisco  sage

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« Reply #159 on: September 19, 2022, 11:59:32 PM »
Your biggest past time is calling other people what you are.

Never going to change.

Your favorite topic is yourself.
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« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2022, 01:10:35 PM »
 I know you are but what am i? LOL ( QUOTE BOY GEORGE-1988) O0

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« Reply #161 on: September 21, 2022, 08:42:14 PM »
I know you are but what am i? LOL ( QUOTE BOY GEORGE-1988) O0


you are what you call others
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« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2022, 07:10:17 AM »
Then you are a liberal democrat LOL Go shine up your earthshoes Star Bucks Yuppy  O0

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« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2022, 05:19:04 PM »
So you are a liberal democrats.
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #164 on: September 26, 2022, 10:31:45 PM »
 Great reply -think ill let my 6 year old grand niece take it from here O0

 

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