Thoroughbred Pedigrees for r.n.reed

Some pedigrees of the mares

two more mares, and the final one is my stallion

Thanks Jamiediamond,I will take a closer look tonight.

thanks for leaving me out... (dog)

quite a bit of red.. not much for the other colors...  the interesting part is the next couple of generations.. are the linebred (around) indivuals? also linebred?  and do the 'unlinebred' individuals== trace to similar breeding?

Jamiediamond,that is an interesting set of pedigrees.I am no expert on Thoroughbred pedigrees by any means but the 5th generation of Flying Clears pedigree is a very impresive list of famous Thoroughbreds.How many Palomino Thoroughbred stallions are there?I like that In Reality-Dr.Fager cross on the bottom side of his pedigree and noticed you have some of that influence in most of your mares,should be interesting to see how he nicks with them.
BS-It seems to me that there is very little linebreeding going on at the level you practice with your sheep in the Thoroughbred breed.I'm sure someones doing it but you don't see it in the big name horses pedigrees.Probably the last horse with any degree of success would be In Reality.Before that you would almost have to go back to High Time born in 1928 to find an in bred sire that made the big time.His sire was a son of Domino out of a daughter of Domino and his dam was a daughter of Domino.

What do you do with thorough breds race em or look at them or what?

r.n.reed said:

Jamiediamond,that is an interesting set of pedigrees.I am no expert on Thoroughbred pedigrees by any means but the 5th generation of Flying Clears pedigree is a very impresive list of famous Thoroughbreds.How many Palomino Thoroughbred stallions are there?I like that In Reality-Dr.***er cross on the bottom side of his pedigree and noticed you have some of that influence in most of your mares,should be interesting to see how he nicks with them.
BS-It seems to me that there is very little linebreeding going on at the level you practice with your sheep in the Thoroughbred breed.I'm sure someones doing it but you don't see it in the big name horses pedigrees.Probably the last horse with any degree of success would be In Reality.Before that you would almost have to go back to High Time born in 1928 to find an in bred sire that made the big time.His sire was a son of Domino out of a daughter of Domino and his dam was a daughter of Domino.

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There are not many palomino thoroughbred stallions at this time.  Thunder (Mining For Gold) is one of two in western Canada at this time and is currently the tallest known one in North America.  It is hard to tell in the photo as he is taking up my 6'0 height.  I had two foals by him one out of the Diamonds R Special mare and one out of Bombay Jazz.  Both are fabulous in structure and temperament but unfortunately didn't inherit the dilutant.

aj said:

What do you do with thorough breds race em or look at them or what?

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My program for these horses is for Three Day Eventing I keep them jockey club registered so there are options. Of course I do enjoy looking at them as well...

The mares bred to Mining For Gold for 2012, I had forgotten to attach Cali's pedigree earlier 

Calformecalifornia (my highlight!!)
Flying Clear
Pembroke's Folly
Rocky (Quarter Horse)

It has been awhile since I looked at many Thoroughbred pedigrees, but from what I can remember, these are pretty impressive pedigrees. My sister and her husband used to have several Thoroughbred horses, some they raced and some were brood mares. My brother in law's father used to manage the Thoroughbred racing in Calgary and Edmonton in the 80s and 90s. When my sister got married, they got 3 thoroughbred horses as wedding gifts and that was their start in the business. It got too hard to manage them as they were moving quite often with their work so they sold their horses. I picked up a Thoroughbred mare from the Calgary track to use on the farm here, and I think she was the stupidest horse I ever saw. She actually would close her eyes when she was running and if you weren't watching closely she would take you right into the bush or into a fence.

JIT it is funny that you would say the Thoroughbred was so stupid.  Years ago my sister had one that had come off the track which had actually won a race in Montana and he was definitely the dumbest horse we ever had.  Whenever you got him running he kept pulling to the side like he wanted to get to the rail or go around the bend.  He was also dumb in other ways.  Funny thing was I had a little Arabian-Quarter Horse cross mare that could out run him.

Most of ours are appendix qh great animals we had only 1 straight tb working horse and that gelding could out think an average person. He hadnt lasted long on the track but he was cowy w/ endurance lived with us well into his 20s

These people have been advertising this horse for a little while, thought I would put him up, he's a tb, palomino http://medford.craigslist.org/grd/2783070484.html

I have a Thoroughbred Record Stallion Register from the 80's or 90's that lists nearly all the stallions available for breeding service along with their photos and extended pedigrees.  This is great reading for a history junkie like me.  Included are Affirmed and Seattle Slew, along with about a million others.  It is amazing how often certain stallions appear in these extended pedigrees such as Nasrullah and Native Dancer.  Native Dancer was always my dad's favorite.  The first great race horse I can remember was Northern Dancer.  I'll have to look it up, but I think he won the Derby and Preakness in 1963, but was beaten in the Belmont for his only loss.  For some reason, it sticks in my mind that he was from Canada, not exactly a hot bed for Derby winners.  If that memory is correct, it would come as a surprise to some on this website that a Canadian could actually produce something useful!  Growing up, we would have to be extremely busy not to take 15 minutes off to watch the Kentucky Derby.  From Northern Dancer to Majestic Prince to Proud Clarion to Riva Ridge, it brings back some very pleasant memories.  I still remember watching Dancer's Image winning the race and later being disqualified for testing positive for some banned drug.  Funny I remember him being disqualified, but I can't remember who was declared the winner.  Damascus?  Forward Pass?  I'll have to look it up.  The grandkids are totally enthralled with the Secretariat movie.  The family got me a copy of the book personally signed by Penny Chenery.  I didn't tell her that I still think Man O' War was the greatest race horse ever.  By the way, I am not old enough to have seen him in person.  We have gone to Louisville nearly every year since 1975 and each year we spend a few hours at Churchill Downs.  In 2010, the whole family went and the time spent at the track with the grandkids was the highlight of the trip.  Someday I hope to be able to attend the Derby.

Great post Oakview,I remember the Dancers Image fiasco as well.I was a young kid and couldn't figure the whole deal out.Here is a picture of my mare that I lost last spring to EPM.She was a thrill to watch super athletic.I'll never forget one time when she stood up on her hind legs and jumped up what seemed like 6' in the air came back down on her hind legs and took off running.Super intelligent as well.Her greatest claim to fame pedigree wise was that she was one of the few direct tail female descendants of Beldame.

An interesting article on "Speed Gene" origin

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120124140105.htm

One of the things I enjoy most about this website is learning things about other people that I didn't know, such as their interest in race horses, among other things.  In the mid 60's we went to the Lutheran Church on Lincoln Way in Ames.  One of my parents' freiends was a Dr. Lundvall, I hope I spelled that right.  He was a noted horse veterinarian at Iowa State.  After church from time to time, we would stop by the Iowa State Vet Lab, the old one on campus, and look at the animals in their stalls.  I always marveled at how tall the Thoroughbreds were.  I also looked at their somewhat spindly legs and wondered how they ever withstood the pounding.  Unfortunately, many over the years have been unable to take it.  My dad raised Arabians.  His best friend growing up at one time owned the National Point Champion Chief Justice and let dad breed a mare to him a couple of times.  I think the breeding fee was in the 5 figures, so it was a good thing Dad was his friend because he could never have afforded that.  The love of horses ran deep in our family.  We have many pictures of our ancestors with their draft horses.  My favorite has to be the one with my Grandfather holding four horses, each with a young child on it's back.  On the back of the photo are four names.  Not the names of the kids, the names of the horses!

Sometimes it can be a good thing to check your memory...so I did.  Northern Dancer actually won the Derby, Preakness, etc., in 1964 instead of 1963 as I thought.  He also lost four times, finishing second twice and third twice in 18 starts.  He was bred in Canada so at least that was right.  Hey!  I was 8 years old at the time.  Or was that 9?  Interesting reading on the speed gene. 

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One of the things I enjoy most about this website is learning things about other people that I didn't know, such as their interest in race horses, among other things.  In the mid 60's we went to the Lutheran Church on Lincoln Way in Ames.  One of my parents' freiends was a Dr. Lundvall, I hope I spelled that right.  He was a noted horse veterinarian at Iowa State.  After church from time to time, we would stop by the Iowa State Vet Lab, the old one on campus, and look at the animals in their stalls.  I always marveled at how tall the Thoroughbreds were.  I also looked at their somewhat spindly legs and wondered how they ever withstood the pounding.  Unfortunately, many over the years have been unable to take it.  My dad raised Arabians.  His best friend growing up at one time owned the National Point Champion Chief Justice and let dad breed a mare to him a couple of times.  I think the breeding fee was in the 5 figures, so it was a good thing Dad was his friend because he could never have afforded that.  The love of horses ran deep in our family.  We have many pictures of our ancestors with their draft horses.  My favorite has to be the one with my Grandfather holding four horses, each with a young child on it's back.  On the back of the photo are four names.  Not the names of the kids, the names of the horses!

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We have some Arabs as well. My favourite is Jacqueline' little mare that was named an Ammbassador of the breed in 2006.
Jacqueline started riding this little mare at a young age and they won US Nationals in the jumper division.
Here's a video of them jumping at one show. They actually bred this little mare to Consul the sire of the famous jumper Judgement and did an ET with a bigger mare. The resulting mare favors Consul in looks but definitely has her dam's temperment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rj876V8Blo

http://www.arabianhorses.org/activities/recognition/international.asp

Okotoks, great video & picts, i also showed hunter/jumpers

cowgirl864 said:

Okotoks, great video & picts, i also showed hunter/jumpers

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Thanks and I had meant topost this one of the jump off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz-FjEEqtdc