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Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« on: April 18, 2017, 12:32:25 PM »
Two March yearling Shorthorn bulls . Top one is a Coalpit Creek son 77lb bw out of a first calf heifer. Second is a Cabrera son 102lb Bw from a proven Betsy cow. Both fed with hay and oats since weaning. What are your thoughts?

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 02:21:21 PM »
I prefer the lighter birth weight one, I don't need any 102 birth weights.

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 04:00:15 PM »
The lighter BW bull is deeper, looks to be better conditioned, but doesn't look very expressive. Maybe a picture from behind would show him with a bit more muscle?

I think the bigger BW bull definitely has the advantage in muscle shape, but is a little tight ribbed. Not sure I would use him with the 102 lb BW though.
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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 04:35:43 PM »
My choice would be the larger BW bull. I can see way more muscle expression all the way through that bull. The lighter BW weight bull will probably be an easier calving bull of coarse but you have to remember we're talking about Canadian bulls here. I don't think it is very uncommon to see 102lb BWs in Canada. It was a cold winter there I believe also. Not even a close one for me between those 2 bulls. JMO

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 06:15:39 PM »
Id want to see the low bw bull from behind-if he doesnt have any butt-i wouldnt have kept him a bull-the Roan is way more attractive in type, muscle expression-and everything else.Again-you are in Canada-so if his BW works up there-so will he. JMO hes better to me than Cabrera- thicker to me than Cabrera and deeper ribbed-and most likely bigger butt O0

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 08:30:41 PM »
I would say for the way he is built  he has sufficient hind quarter and he is definitely thick enough over his top.
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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 08:33:13 PM »
I just had to wade through the muck and try to get a picture from behind lol
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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 08:06:59 AM »
For me, after seeing the pictures from behind, it affirms that the larger BW bull is the winner here, and in my opinion, it's not even close.

I didn't realize before that you were in Canada, i'm in Oklahoma, 100+ BW around here is a recipe for trouble, especially in August/September.

Nice animals, well done!
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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 07:02:49 PM »
Based on pics, will choice the roan.
What is the SC each one?

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 09:27:15 PM »
Based on pics, will choice the roan.
What is the SC each one?
The coalpit bull is 37 and the Cabrera is 35 when they were semen tested

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2017, 09:20:17 AM »
Depends what the purpose is.  As with all designs, each has their own strengths and limitations.  I'd use the the maternally bred leader 6th son myself as he exhibits more of the characteristics I associate with strengths of the shorthorn breed. The Cabrera son's bw alone would exclude him from my consideration  but he does look to be a pretty powerful bull - his design in general is more along the lines of what I want to see in a Charolais.  That thickness from behind that Mark always wants to see is a maternal antagonism. His strengths are more suited for those seeking to inject some terminal traits into a market bound calf crop whereas, if taking home the daughters, I'd take the leader 6th son every time.

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 03:09:33 PM »
Like this cow? O0

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2017, 03:44:26 PM »
Good example, Mark.. If you prefer cows like that, make sure the environment is so that the nutritional quality of the forage is good enough, as it appears to be here, for the calf to do most of its raising itself!

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 07:35:19 PM »
I spent 2 years travelling that part of the country up to Oregon. And basically-anybody even remotely aware of the environment up there would know what a naive comment that is-basically just flatulence for lack of a less politically correct description O0

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Re: Thoughts on March Yearling Shorthorn bulls
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 10:27:56 PM »
Just imagine how big that calf would be if her type had the ability to convert all that pone fat into milk hahaha

 

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