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Offline Olson Family Shorthorns

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Well guys, it's about time to order semen on the bull that I am going to breed my show heifer too.  Many of you have seen pictures and know her pedigree, but for those of you who don't know what she is, here we go...  A May, Perfect Timing x Sonny daughter that I have quite a fondness for.  I want to breed her to a PB Shorthorn, but there aren't a whole lot of choices. 

Bulls that are I'm considering: Ar Su Lu Tonic  Good- Cate's, V8, and WHR backing him, Cate's bred the $105,000 heifer to him    Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                              PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

I'm open to suggestions, feel free to sound off!!

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prove her first, then flush her to him after a few calves.  be a little patient.  the price won't seem so bad if she's good.  if she turns out to be average, it would be a waste.
if you flush her, the semen cost will be the least of your worries.


separate question
is it really necessary or cost effective to "prove" a heifer/young with the best bulls?  if papers sell the animal, how does one plan to catch up?

i guess it's a cyclical game vs the sustained game.
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Well guys, it's about time to order semen on the bull that I am going to breed my show heifer too.  Many of you have seen pictures and know her pedigree, but for those of you who don't know what she is, here we go...  A May, Perfect Timing x Sonny daughter that I have quite a fondness for.  I want to breed her to a PB Shorthorn, but there aren't a whole lot of choices. 

Bulls that are I'm considering: Ar Su Lu Tonic  Good- Cate's, V8, and WHR backing him, Cate's bred the $105,000 heifer to him    Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                              PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

I'm open to suggestions, feel free to sound off!!


You already know what I would suggest, LOL!!   ;)   But, I know you want a PB Shorthorn.

I'm not a shorthorn expert, by any means, but I am slowly learning a little bit from a few on this board who are...  What about Jake's Proud Jazz or Gizmo? 

 
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Knabe- not sure what you mean...I'm trying to find a bull to breed her to first...I listed two bulls that I am considering.  I AM however flushing her mother to Perfect Timing, and possibly Prince James.

TJ-  Ahhh, she might get flushed to him at some point, but idk yet.   Jake's Proud Jazz- He's pretty small framed, but he is pretty good.     
                                                                                                             Gizmo- Isn't his semen somewhere around $100/straw? He would be in the running if it were a bit cheaper.
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   Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                             
PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

choose number two as the he doesn't seem to have the price reservations and if she turns out to be a producer, the cost reservations won't matter when you breed her to #1.  then if that calf is good, you still may have 4 shots left, you can flush her twice/four times? to him, get maybe 8-32 eggs/babies, and that cost will be such a low percentage of the overall cost, you won't even think about it.

before i did that, i would want to make sure she did something for me rather than just be good on paper, which doesn't help as much as if you are the breeder of the non-owned ancestry.  then, paper goes a lot further.

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  I like ALM Chiller, Ar Su Lu Osage & I know I'm going to get blasted for it - Ar Su Lu Kool . I'm not a very big Tonic fan at all.
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That's kind of what I was thinking too, as we already have Kryptonite semen in the tank. If I could get more Prince James, that's what we would use.  We only have 4 straws of him left, and we're saving it for a flush.

I wouldn't even think about flushing a heifer.  Don't get me wrong, this heifer's pedigree is stacked, but I really do want to know what she can do before we think about making her a donor.  

Doc- Is Chiller calving ease?  I don't mind you suggesting Kool...in fact, this heifer's two half brothers were both out of Kool.  Really good calves, both were champions, but they just didn't have a nice enough front or quite enough grow.  Also could have used more bone.  I'm being picky, but I think that it pays to be. 
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Olson's,

We used ALM Chiller last year on a couple heifers.   Pretty good calves.   They were both easily delivered and very energetic at birth.   We also had a Tonic calf this year that you've seen posted here before.   We really like him and being out of a Sonny/Charmer  momma, we think he might make a pretty good bull prospect.   Only time will tell.    I also heard good things about JPJ!!  We'll probably use him this year on a couple of heifers.   We may also consider a Maine bull
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Do you happen to know if Chiller is TH and PHA clean?
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Yep, just checked Manchester's website...free of both...I think I'm gonna give them a call....
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Jake's Proud Jazz- He's pretty small framed, but he is pretty good.                                                                                                                  

Something wrong with being small framed & pretty good?   ;)  I know what you are trying to do & I am just messing with you.   :P

Still, I honestly do think that JPJ would be a real good choice for her 1st calf. 

I didn't realize Gizmo was so high, so I just learned something else about Shorthorns. 
« Last Edit: April 02, 2008, 06:36:06 PM by TJ »
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Oooohhhh you sure do like to get me worked up lol. 

JPJ would certainly be a very reasonable first choice, but you know me...I like to see what else there is before I make a decision. 

Gizmo's son, Wymore is a definite contender in this race, I'm going to have to make a couple calls to some people and try to gather a bit more info.

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Oooohhhh you sure do like to get me worked up lol. 

JPJ would certainly be a very reasonable first choice, but you know me...I like to see what else there is before I make a decision. 

Gizmo's son, Wymore is a definite contender in this race, I'm going to have to make a couple calls to some people and try to gather a bit more info.


A Wymore heifer in another thread looked pretty good to me.  Not a lot of hair, but she looked pretty good otherwise.
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$50/straw is not that expensive considering that you are getting "world class" genetics.
There are many people in Canada demanding $50-$100/straw on what I would consider mediocre garbage.  LOL.
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But if I can find more world class genetics at half the price, wouldn't that make sense?  I'm all for top shelf stuff, wouldn't have it any other way, but I like to explore my options.
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