Steer Planet - Show Steers and Club Calves Forum

Well guys, it's about time to order semen on the bull that I am going to breed my show heifer too.  Many of you have seen pictures and know her pedigree, but for those of you who don't know what she is, here we go...  A May, Perfect Timing x Sonny daughter that I have quite a fondness for.  I want to breed her to a PB Shorthorn, but there aren't a whole lot of choices. 

Bulls that are I'm considering: Ar Su Lu Tonic  Good- Cate's, V8, and WHR backing him, Cate's bred the $105,000 heifer to him    Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                              PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

I'm open to suggestions, feel free to sound off!!

Well guys, it's about time to order semen on the bull that I am going to breed my show heifer too.  Many of you have seen pictures and know her pedigree, but for those of you who don't know what she is, here we go...  A May, Perfect Timing x Sonny daughter that I have quite a fondness for.  I want to breed her to a PB Shorthorn, but there aren't a whole lot of choices. 

Bulls that are I'm considering: Ar Su Lu Tonic  Good- Cate's, V8, and WHR backing him, Cate's bred the $105,000 heifer to him    Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                              PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

I'm open to suggestions, feel free to sound off!!

You already know what I would suggest, LOL!!      But, I know you want a PB Shorthorn.

I'm not a shorthorn expert, by any means, but I am slowly learning a little bit from a few on this board who are...  What about Jake's Proud Jazz or Gizmo? 

 

   Bad- $50/straw minimum of 5 straws, $50 for cert.
                                             
PB Kryptonite   Good- Excellent pedigree, we have used him with success, backed by Leemon's and Payne's, FWIW   Bad- Not much....maybe doesn't throw as much thickness as a clubby bull.

choose number two as the he doesn't seem to have the price reservations and if she turns out to be a producer, the cost reservations won't matter when you breed her to #1.  then if that calf is good, you still may have 4 shots left, you can flush her twice/four times? to him, get maybe 8-32 eggs/babies, and that cost will be such a low percentage of the overall cost, you won't even think about it.

before i did that, i would want to make sure she did something for me rather than just be good on paper, which doesn't help as much as if you are the breeder of the non-owned ancestry.  then, paper goes a lot further.

That's kind of what I was thinking too, as we already have Kryptonite semen in the tank. If I could get more Prince James, that's what we would use.  We only have 4 straws of him left, and we're saving it for a flush.

I wouldn't even think about flushing a heifer.  Don't get me wrong, this heifer's pedigree is stacked, but I really do want to know what she can do before we think about making her a donor.  

Doc- Is Chiller calving ease?  I don't mind you suggesting Kool...in fact, this heifer's two half brothers were both out of Kool.  Really good calves, both were champions, but they just didn't have a nice enough front or quite enough grow.  Also could have used more bone.  I'm being picky, but I think that it pays to be. 

Do you happen to know if Chiller is TH and PHA clean?

Jake's Proud Jazz- He's pretty small framed, but he is pretty good.                                                                                                                  

Something wrong with being small framed & pretty good?     I know what you are trying to do & I am just messing with you.   

Still, I honestly do think that JPJ would be a real good choice for her 1st calf. 

I didn't realize Gizmo was so high, so I just learned something else about Shorthorns. 

Oooohhhh you sure do like to get me worked up lol. 

JPJ would certainly be a very reasonable first choice, but you know me...I like to see what else there is before I make a decision. 

Gizmo's son, Wymore is a definite contender in this race, I'm going to have to make a couple calls to some people and try to gather a bit more info.

A Wymore heifer in another thread looked pretty good to me.  Not a lot of hair, but she looked pretty good otherwise.

But if I can find more world class genetics at half the price, wouldn't that make sense?  I'm all for top shelf stuff, wouldn't have it any other way, but I like to explore my options.