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Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« on: January 30, 2019, 08:55:57 AM »
Looking for opinions on the 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available to the open market. Bulls that consistently pass that thickness on to the calves. Birthweight doesnt matter. I want to know the power bulls available. Base width and a big ass. Nice thick top line.


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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2019, 11:37:14 AM »
The bulls I have used that sired a lot of real, natural muscling, not just fluffed up hair, were Suds, Maxwell, Data Bank (3/4 blood, purebred Maine), and a 7/8 bull I raised sired by Etula (FB Maine).  He was something like 7/8 Shorthorn and 5/8 Maine.  His dam was a granddaughter of Dollar II (FB Maine).  He sired a lot of good steers for us.  I used Double Stuff (including just about Double everything), Outrageous, Windstar, you name it and all they did was sire hair and slow growing calves.  I used Leader Plus a little bit, but not enough to really pass judgement on the calves.  I have semen on most of those bulls and believe there would be some around on them. 

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 01:29:54 PM »
Look into Fringe. Thickest heifer we have ever had was sired by him. We flushed that cow to him and got 6 embryos, but haven't put any in yet. Don't have anything big enough on the farm to have that calf right now lol

Should be noted that we only had 1 calf out of him, so not a real big sample size, to say the least.
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 02:11:33 PM »
Saw a mature picture of Muridale Thermal Energy when looking up some cattle yesterday on the internet, don't think there are many that will beat that!
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 03:41:40 PM »
Hes talking clubby whale butted bulls-They arent maternal like thermal energy-seen a video of him too-when it comes to that kind of butt and mass-He just is not that type-Double Down Ante Up and Double Trouble put put some butt on them-have semen on all 3-Windstar did too-Double Downs are a little high gutted-Steer Maker can really put a square butt and amazing hip-the cow needs to be thick tho-too.If you have a clubby made female-JSF Guage will keep one thick-AND NOW-TODAY ONLY-MY FAVE RAVE- FRESH AIR 35 0 BW TRIPLE CLEAN powerbull from powerhouse females HES GOT  A TAIL BONE LIKE A WHALEBONE-and COMES FROM: AND HAS PRODUCED; IN LIMITED USE-REAL WORLD SOWS THAT ARE VERY SOUND-WIN SHOWS  THAT CAN RAISE A CALF  SOME OF THE X_BREDS AND SHORTS HAVE BEEN WHALE ASS THICK CATTLE-AND ABOUT THE ONLY TYPES LIKE THIS SINCE 10-15 years ago-HES GOT OLDSCHOOL MAINE-CLUBBY-JAZZ AND SIRED BY CREOLE--Id have to pm a history-Heres him-his 1800 pound triple clean Jazz Dam-and his oldscholl grandam-whos full sib had Polar Express-the freakiest Shorthorn (No I didnt say soundest etc) ever displayed at Denver There are less than 100 straws left on Fresh Air-Hes sired real deal good females on a bunch of different types and X-bred cows and I have a few pictures-JUST PUT YOUR HAND ON THE RADIO-AND THE OTHER ON YOUR CHECKBOOK  O0
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2019, 06:44:03 PM »
Mirror mirror on the wall-Im so thick that I look small-(IM NOT) This is a bull Brad Davis wanted me to sell-So far he cant get papers-This picture is just off 25 Simm cows-hes been leased commercial and run hard as he@$%&*(()l all his life Hes a StarburstxSalutexdouble Vision-th pha free-Gotta be thickest esiest keeping young Shorthorn bull anywhere right now to be run the way he has -He doesnt have the performance of Fresh Air above-who was also THAT THICK-but Fresh Air died very young. This bull is a freak-YOU WANT CLUBBY-HES A BEAST-There are calves hitting the ground-semen is $50  O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 06:52:59 PM »
Im glad you started this post.  When you asked me the other night, I was honestly stumped. The RB bulls immediately came to mind, some of the Canadian Giants, but then nothing. 

Im with you in that Id certainly like to add some thickness to my cowherd in general but Im unwilling to assume the 100lb calves that it seems are inevitable with the heavier muscled Shorthorn bullsh.

I also find it interesting - well unfortunate really- that almost all the responses to the question were either clubby bulls or heavily fullblood maine influenced bulls.  Im hoping to hear of some true beef bulls with reasonable calving ease.   I feel like I know a lot about the Shorthorn cattle Im familiar with. But surely theres a ton of shorthorn genetics out there that have never crossed my mind. I think if I had the time and money, Id try to sort the SH database, excluding a handful of genetics - that in my opinion just have absolutely nothing to offer me, and then go see all those active  breeders which are left.  With such limited avenues of information for the breed, Im not sure how else to do it.
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 07:29:52 PM »
Not saying he belongs on the top 5 all time list, or that he's necessarily what I think of when I hear "power bull", but have you looked at any of the FSF or Near Perfect calves? I've noticed some that were pretty damn nice for their age and were definitely thick from the rear. He's got a few fans building in the southern regions after limited use and the calves I saw were nice enough I dropped a few straws in cows of the same type. The ds status and pedigree are worth mentioning if you plan to retain any calves or if your customers care.

I can think of a few modern bulls that come to mind, but I'd sure like to know their myostatin status to know if there's a reason it seems like they can be hit or miss on muscling.

I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of people looking for thickness, rear end, probably length, and overall muscling in the near future.

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2019, 07:44:59 PM »
Thats what alot of people are looking for-The Roan bull above is in some ways toungue and cheek-but he has been worked rougher and harder than that picture shows-He may not be your cup of tea-but hes one of the easiest keeping "purebred young Shorthorn bulls Ive seen' AND IVE SEEN ALOT OF THEM-all over the US in the last 50 plus years-CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE-and hes a Shorthorn leased by a commercial Simm based herd-in Iowa-not Canada-So if his calves come ok-(SIMMS ARE NOT CE CATTLE OVERALL ANYMORE THAN SHORTHORNS) then he aint all bad-Hes got more ass on him than any worked over bull of any breed that anyone wants to post-the prerequisit is one thats bred cows non stop since he was a yearling-2 weeks off cows.the poster wanted the thickest most extreme Shorthorn-HERES ONE THAT CAME UP IN COMMERCIAL CONDITIONS and he WILL MAKE TWO of about anything Ive seen coming from that background--What would he look like if hed been in a show barn all of his life? Ive got a picture of a 3 year old below that won Denver-WHICH ONE IS YOUR PICK FOR A REAL BULL? PS-LONG STORY SHORT-I havent been able to post the calves and daughters of Fresh Air-but he was the same thing-Very functional-good calver-very high quality calves out of a Hienz 57 array of females, 0 BW Epds In other words hes fine on second calvers just to be conservative-stemming from 2 of the most documented Shorthorn bulls by virtue of years of actvity and or sheer volume that WERE not just performance-epd cattle- GFS Creole and Jakes proud Jazz-His calves REALLY grow-they are proving to be good cows-hes thicker than anything you have used that I have seen-and will compliment the Canadian and in particularl the earlier Mclean Ranch-Goldwalk-Byland Dazzler type blood too-Whats the matter with a functional genuine thick bull with the goods? Now my last picture-The "thick" bull that won Denver Being from the CYT -Sullivan Breeding  has a bW EPD of 2.4 "or something" Hes a show-not commercial bull-and hes way fat-but as far as wanting one thats " thick butted" -bigger-and with BWS being no issue-hes as good as that breeding gets jmo JMO-hes thicker than some of the other bulls in that vein like the bull in a recent post from Canada that was a National Champ, Tuscaloosa, his andecedents such as Solution -Sonny, and UB Mad max-(who was DEFINITELY not CE-I raised him) etc Long story short-YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS AN OUTCROSS if you are going to change them-Otherwise they will continue to get narrower-thats why after 40 years the Byland cattle still arent very thick-Jungles etc because of the continuation in type of cattle that are not really thick--Thats where Enticer came from-rodeo , Goliath,etc-they eminated from quite simply the need to change and or improve with something  different from what they had been using-and ad desired type rather than compound the traits or direction the cattle were taking-not scientific-just cowboy 101. . O0
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 07:53:59 PM »
Not saying he belongs on the top 5 all time list, or that he's necessarily what I think of when I hear "power bull", but have you looked at any of the FSF or Near Perfect calves? I've noticed some that were pretty damn nice for their age and were definitely thick from the rear. He's got a few fans building in the southern regions after limited use and the calves I saw were nice enough I dropped a few straws in cows of the same type. The ds status and pedigree are worth mentioning if you plan to retain any calves or if your customers care.

I can think of a few modern bulls that come to mind, but I'd sure like to know their myostatin status to know if there's a reason it seems like they can be hit or miss on muscling./// Hes real thick-Ive seen a couple phenominal x-bred Char Crosses out of him too-Soundness is a recurring issue-and hes like alot of clubbies-pretty dinky. I think its very diffucult to have one that fills in all the blanks-The popular show cattle-and SORRY-many of the Canadian cattle-AINT GOT NO REAL BUTT-and are anything BUT-CE-THE SHORTHORNS THAT HAVE REAL THICKNESS FROM BEHIND-are probably not going to have a tremendous amount of length-but will hopefully have alot of depth of rib etc-seems like thats how the package unfolds-Gotta breed them to complimentary types that have what they lack and keep a balance of sorts BWS-SHAPES ETC  being PARAMOUNT on this bus O0


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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2019, 09:28:59 PM »
I'm agreeing with Suds. RB Eagle 148, Starburst along with a lot of the Farrer bulls, seen some thick Damn Prouds.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2019, 10:06:15 PM »
Suds was hit or miss it depended alot on the cow-148 got his thickness from Chuck O Lucks Real Silver-a freak of nature whos dam had to have been walking a fence line and a full blood maine jumped the fence-Ice seen one picture of him-and he was nothing like his pedigree- NADA Maybe one of the better Eagles that I saw inperson was ML War Eagle that Gottchaulks had-Bought ten straws-just never got around to trying it the only Ferrer bulls ive seen in person were the full sib to Proud Jazz as a calf and his dam, she was really impressive-small tho.and Hardline-he was a very strong long yearling-They had Salutes full sib  there (I think) and Red Bull-full sib to heat wave-neither were in the same caregory as Hardline O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2019, 08:35:54 AM »
This is interesting to me, I'm glad you started this, and I've spent a little time looking at the bulls currently available to the open market.

Disclaimer, we have used a bull that we raised the past 4 years, almost exclusively, so I haven't really looked at semen in awhile.

Nothing has changed. I don't see any new bulls that jump out to me as anything different than what was on the market 4 years ago. 95% are the same ones, new ones that were on there 4 years ago, have been removed. 

By necessity, our next bull needs to be an outcross to JPJ, I'm a little tired of the Trump - Solution - Sonny - Bloodstone genetics, however, where exactly does that leave me? I'm not a commercial breeder, my brother and I have 35 acres and 15 cows, we play around in the show calf deal and sell butcher beef with the ones that don't cut it. I have a Saskvalley Bonanza bull calf on the ground out of a really good Vortec heifer, but he looks like a baby calf out of a calving ease bull...
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2019, 10:11:54 AM »
https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=4203298 

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tLKFLbWjgTHOyggzf6A3q2thWu1qHSsC/view?ts=5c3b91b9
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P71u9jaLXD0WJNIiDy1L8UvpsKbi-wqc/view?ts=5c3b9170
- This is a 9.5 month old March by DJS Outsider (Creole son Charismax Proud Jazzcx Mckkee females) and Fresh Airs maternal sister by Double Vision-That cow is only 3 and already has quite a production history Hiefer is a 5.8 frame-has jazz twice and is g daughter of Fresh Airs dam-these are really a powerfull couple females and shes bred somewhat like him. If you have any oldschool clubby descendents-this is what they would be made like-For my type-this is in the top 3-4 March heifers in the country He IS NOT LIKE ANYTHING STANDARD AVAILABLE OUT THERE-SHOW ME ONE LIKE HIM O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2019, 12:12:04 PM »
Look like steers to me
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