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Offline knabe

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trend of show steers
« on: December 30, 2018, 02:32:31 PM »
any emerging trends in what is winning steer shows phenotype wise other than thick, sound and fat?


a little bigger, smaller, cleaner fronted, more depth, less depth, bigger top, whale butt, less whale butt, color?

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2019, 01:26:53 AM »
Im sure this is not new but I found it very interesting. Our county fair is a slick show, the last 4 of 5 supreme championships have been orange steers. The the real interesting thing is each year there is only 1 to 2 orange steers. #orangeisthenewblack, coined that last year! Im in love with orange cattle and been trying to breed as many steers as I can orange for our fair.

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2019, 03:14:08 PM »
I do this for a living and I wish I knew the trends. As for fat steers I'd say whale butts are out. These cattle have to be beyond pretty from the side and move with ease. Thickest one doesn't win anymore. As far as state fairs go I saw those 1280-1330 calves being ideal over the last two years. To me they look really small, so pretty no butt and 1300, comes across as little. That being said we just had a freaky baby in Phoenix last week and he stuck him in the 3rd hole to get rid of him. Called him the one with the most potential. Explain that one to me. I also see these fall prospect shows going with those whale bellied calves which to me make them look plain. I still like them huge butted and pretty fronted so I am not going to stray to far from that.

My 2cents which probably isn't much. I would like to hear more from others on this.

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 07:22:48 PM »
Lobatomy, who judged that show? I was surprised to see the champ lightweight steer as reserve overall. Hard to believe there wasnt one in heavy or middle weight to choose. And I agree, the pretty ones and great structured ones are getting it done nowadays. They certainly dont have to have a ton of product in them....
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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2019, 11:33:21 AM »
Chris Cassidy sorted all the Jr cattle. I've been able to fallow Chris over recent years and actually think he may be one of the better collage guys.  But I found him harder to fallow this go in Phoenix. I will say those two champions had their hind wheels mowed down very tight. Kinda interesting in the way they were presented.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2019, 12:38:42 AM »
Lobatomy, who judged that show? I was surprised to see the champ lightweight steer as reserve overall. Hard to believe there wasnt one in heavy or middle weight to choose. And I agree, the pretty ones and great structured ones are getting it done nowadays. They certainly dont have to have a ton of product in them....


Gargan, I don’t know what that yellow steer weighed, but I’m guessing you were reading the Pulse like I was.  They just called him the champion “light cross”, but it meant he won the light colored division, not light weight. Light colored basically being white, grey or yellow with no white spots on their sides or top.

It’s confusing if you’re not familiar with Phoenix’s classification system.

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2019, 06:36:44 AM »
Lobatomy, who judged that show? I was surprised to see the champ lightweight steer as reserve overall. Hard to believe there wasnt one in heavy or middle weight to choose. And I agree, the pretty ones and great structured ones are getting it done nowadays. They certainly dont have to have a ton of product in them....


Gargan, I dont know what that yellow steer weighed, but Im guessing you were reading the Pulse like I was.  They just called him the champion light cross, but it meant he won the light colored division, not light weight. Light colored basically being white, grey or yellow with no white spots on their sides or top.

Its confusing if youre not familiar with Phoenixs classification system.
Thanks for the clarification  (thumbsup)
That sounds more logical now. I stand corrected.
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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2019, 04:50:43 PM »
Ya Phoenix has some funny ways of classifying their fat steers. But what's even stranger is their prospect show. They show from 350 lbs all the way up to whatever. You'll have 1300 lbs steers in the prospect show. In fact this year Chris called a prospect hfr over finished. I think she was in class 16 which would have been around 1200 lbs. Fun place to go but rather strange in their rules.

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 09:32:47 AM »
Chris Cassidy sorted all the Jr cattle. I've been able to fallow Chris over recent years and actually think he may be one of the better collage guys.  But I found him harder to fallow this go in Phoenix. I will say those two champions had their hind wheels mowed down very tight. Kinda interesting in the way they were presented.

I noticed a couple years ago that the Bonham (Bobby Maddox on the Grady steer) crew was really peeling those legs tight...other than the 2017 American Royal champion steer...that thing had the big hair!  Horn's steers are clipped tight because they just aren't super good haired genetically. 

Either way, those guys really know how to put one together on show day! 

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 09:47:33 AM »
I wasnt there, and dont know it for a fact, but theres a good chance those 2 steers that won have been shown a few times this fall/winter.  I know that both of them resemble the steers those kids showed at Kansas City, and also the one Horn showed at Louisville. If this was their second or third big show (and we all know those folks play to win every time), that could explain why they were clipped pretty tight.
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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2019, 11:10:00 AM »
Real pretty,not much performance  and no butt? You guys have to be referring to whats happened to Shorthorns-The power they used to have has all but dissapeared I remember in 1995 or 6 at Louisville when the Shorthorn steers were in the loading pen an Angus guy said they were the most improved cattle in the country-Unfortunately they now seem to be the least O0

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Re: trend of show steers
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 05:17:31 PM »
The  show steers of today that show with hair need to be 1350# sound, pretty, unreal hair, and  the best fitters can do the rest.The slick shear shows are easier  to sort and it is amazing how easy the top ones are to find.Extra muscle mass isn't as important in hair shows as it can impair their ability to move and take a long stride. In all reality they look like a heifer in their front 1/3 . Color is desirable in the showring and not in the real world but that's a different topic as it is a show.

 

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