Need to set the record straight here, Kris Black didn't sell the bull, I bought him from Mike Martin for the man in South Texas in about 1995 or so, and kept an interest in him myself. We still have a lot of cows that go back to him or are out of him that have been great cows. Recently there have been some females popping up in the sales as mentioned in earlier posts, the ones at Kris' were out of my cows. The ones in Horn's sale were out of a cow I raised and sold a buddy who flushed her and showed calves out of her for his daughter, she is a senior so last year he traded the cow to Horn for a steer that ended up being Champion ABC at San Antonio this year. That family has placed several steers out of her while they had her. The steers never were hairy but the were always good practical steers, gentle, and easy feeding and we did well with several in many different breeds. We never had a baby picture of the bull and he was already siring calves when we got him and just never got that promotion deal to take off. He has some color back in his pedigree somewhere because he breeds some color in them, which we liked as it makes them easier to sell here in slick shear country. I have had some perfectly marked Hereford calves out of him and Hereford cows. He did toe out but was sound moving and lived and bred cows for over 12 years I have plenty of good semen on him if interested just let me know.