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Waukaru Patent 8161
« on: June 22, 2012, 07:07:26 PM »
Hi All. Do any of you have any info on the Shorthorn sire Waukaru Patent 8161? I would really appreciate your thoughts and input.

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 07:20:06 PM »
he has left a great bunch of calves at shadybrook, he sired the high selling bull in the louiseville sale 2011

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 09:04:41 PM »
Awesom pens in Denver by him

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 10:14:51 PM »
I saw Patent at Shadybrook last week and he certainly looks good. Superb muscling and and sound structured. They have a good set of calves by him, and you can pick them out easily. Good calves of both sexes.

I had 3 Patent calves in 2011. All were heifers and all are dark red. Even though they were born from different cows with different pedigrees, they are all stamped alike. I would suggest that Patent is a sire that is a changer. I think his daughters should be bred to sires that have some softness to them and the results could be great!
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 10:42:29 PM »
Here is a bull calf out of Patent's full brother ( Top Shelf).  Not the best pic, but he is very impressive to me in person (I like him more every day, he has diffenitely exceeded my expectations so far).  He is a early March calf.  He is a growing machine, very calm, dark red.  His momma was lot 5 in last fall's Waukaru sale.
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 10:58:01 PM »
Nate, I like your Top Shelf bull a lot!  Personally I liked Top Shelf at 18 months of age more than I liked Patent at that age. I have not seen Top Shelf since the Waukaru sale last fall. As I mentioned previously, Patent looked very impressive on pasture at Shadybrook last week. He was running with all Shadybrook's sale females, and I would say their sale females are the best set they have sold yet. Some pretty awesome females on offer this September!
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 11:19:25 PM »
Nate, I like your Top Shelf bull a lot!  Personally I liked Top Shelf at 18 months of age more than I liked Patent at that age. I have not seen Top Shelf since the Waukaru sale last fall. As I mentioned previously, Patent looked very impressive on pasture at Shadybrook last week. He was running with all Shadybrook's sale females, and I would say their sale females are the best set they have sold yet. Some pretty awesome females on offer this September!
I think that Top Shelf calf looks very promising (thumbsup)
I saw Patent when JIT did and what impreesed me most was Patent's length and thickness. They had a very nice son of Patent with another group of cows. i agree with Grant that he is really stamps his calves.

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 11:27:03 PM »
Waukaru has lots of great bulls and females. I am a little suprised they don't get more  (clapping) on steerplanet and every where else.  I realy like what they are doing over there.
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 07:43:19 AM »
Thanks for all the replies and photos guys. I personally am not a huge fan of the majority of the Waukaru cattle but Patent 8161 has always stood out to me as a good one. The video of him on Youtube suggests he is very thick and muscly, and he seems to walk out well. He also appears to be extremely quiet. I have seen photographs of his mother in a sale catalogue and she looks as if she could have a better head. Patent 8161 seems to have bred very well every where he was sampled. His daughters seem to be long and growthy with big square hips while the bulls are masculine and muscly.

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 08:22:37 PM »
We sold a flush in our Lily 102R cow and they flushed her to Patent. It will be interesting to see how that turns.
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 02:35:38 AM »
The Patent calves in Australia have been pretty special. I really admired the bulls and females Waukaru had in the pens at Denver; they're the ones I wanted to pack in my suitcase!
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2012, 02:40:49 AM »
Thanks for all the replies and photos guys. I personally am not a huge fan of the majority of the Waukaru cattle but Patent 8161 has always stood out to me as a good one. The video of him on Youtube suggests he is very thick and muscly, and he seems to walk out well. He also appears to be extremely quiet. I have seen photographs of his mother in a sale catalogue and she looks as if she could have a better head. Patent 8161 seems to have bred very well every where he was sampled. His daughters seem to be long and growthy with big square hips while the bulls are masculine and muscly.
I read an interesting quote some years ago by Tom Lasater in "The Lasater Philosophy of Cattle Raising", The only thing a bull needs a head for is to take in groceries and emit a mating call!

That said, I always look at the head myself, although I have yet to cull an animal on head alone.

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2012, 08:50:18 AM »
I think bulls need to have a head with a shorter wider muzzle. I have culled a bull once because his head was just not at all what I like to look at. It was not proportionate enough. I believe head shape is very important. The wider the muzzle the bigger the bite. Less time grazeing. I have no clue if it's even true just makes sense to me.
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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2012, 09:32:15 AM »
I agree. If you see an animals head coming towards you - you usually can tell what's coming behind it. I've yet to see a bad animal with a good head!

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Re: Waukaru Patent 8161
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2012, 09:43:35 AM »
I agree. If you see an animals head coming towards you - you usually can tell what's coming behind it. I've yet to see a bad animal with a good head!

There is a well known and successful sale manager here in Canada, who often says he could select cattle for any sale he is managing, if the owners would just send him a picture of the animal's head. I agree that an animal's head can tell a person a lot about it's overall quality, but it is not the only factor that needs to be considered. That said, it is an important consideration.
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