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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 06:13:05 PM »
Why would clones have different sexes?

They don't.  They are genetically identical.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 06:29:18 PM »
Why was the bull calf at an angle.....so his weiny wouldn't show?
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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 07:45:24 PM »
Why was the bull calf at an angle.....so his weiny wouldn't show?

maybe he has tiny bubbles.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2012, 08:27:11 PM »
why would the US shorthorn herd need another round of unknown, completely different genetics?  I know, b/c that's what the shorthorn breed does- chase new things and hunt fads.

IMO, if you can't find the genetics, and the phenotype in the US/ Canada- then you're not looking hard enough.  This breed here is diverse enough to suit everyone.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 08:48:50 PM »
The most pure scotch genetics that exsist on the planet are unknown? Come on man. Im sure there are good cattle here. In fact I know there are. But that's a ass backwards way of thinkin IMO. These are still shorthorns. Raised in large numbers on grass.  That's a positive contribution to the gene pool.  Which last time I checked needs new blood that. And thrive in a minimum input deal. Cattle have been brought into the states forever. Some good some bad. But these cattle deserve a shot. 
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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2012, 08:53:58 PM »
Gary Bob, put some of those pictures of the bulls you had on Facebook from down there please. Gracias amigo.
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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2012, 09:34:43 PM »
The most pure scotch genetics that exsist on the planet are unknown? Come on man. Im sure there are good cattle here. In fact I know there are. But that's a ass backwards way of thinkin IMO. These are still shorthorns. Raised in large numbers on grass.  That's a positive contribution to the gene pool.  Which last time I checked needs new blood that. And thrive in a minimum input deal. Cattle have been brought into the states forever. Some good some bad. But these cattle deserve a shot. 


I agree with TrevorGrey. The world has become a small community when it comes to genetics, when you consider that a person can put some semen or embryos in a tank and have it virtually anywhere on earth within a few hours. I also agree  that if there are genetics in some  part of the world that are deemed to have merit to improve our cattle industry, then we need to be bringing some of these genetics here and trying them.. Some may work, and certainly some won't. That is the same with any animalls of any bloodlines we now have.

When I purchased the Canadian semen rights in the Australian bull Spry's True Blue 033, it cost me less than $600 in shipping costs to bring 400 straws of semen from a bull stud in Australia to Alta Genetics in Alberta, Canada. I did not think that was too hard a pill to swallow. When you look back at the history of any breed, at some point in time, someone has brought in some new unknown bloodlines from somewhere, and they have brought improvement to the breed. Like I said earlier, some of these new unknown bloodlines did not bring improvement and were discarded.  An example of this would be that I can find you a bunch of cattle today that can be traced to the Australian Mandalong Super Flag, becuase Super Flag improved our cattle. Shortly after Super Flag was imported to Canada a few more Shorthorn bulls were imported from Australia. I doubt if I could find any animals that trace to Merriwong Smuggler, or Lone Pine Grand Society, two bulls that really did not bring enough improvement and were disposed of.

I think it is not fad chasing, when cattle breeders try to find new genetics. I think it is more like long term planning and looking towards what will help a breed into the future. We all know that there are lots of people who do not look any further than the next show season and they try to find the one that will do the best. Personally, when I breed a cow, I am looking a lot further down the road than that!
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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 07:49:17 AM »
Nice pair , will bet she has Lincoln red and RPS Tribune ,HS Enticer in her pedigree. Have sent email to my  SA bud for the info..
checkout this lnk to  one of the premeir sires of cattle at Palmero show..http://www.geneticaglobal.com/toros_otros/salvador.html

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 08:17:08 AM »
Hi Guys,
The cow is called Dantgiu Roseta Reuque Floriae X137, she was Palermo Great Champion for two times, all with calf at food. She was cloned and produced 4 clones, one died last year by a snake bit. The three remaining already produced progeny, being one clon progeny the National Shorthorn Show champion on last september. She is an amazing cow. I will insert some embryos from her and a very important bull on next week, here in southern Brazil where I raise Shorthorn.

The X137 is a grass based cow, of course that for show the animals are feed with suplements as around the world. But she is my preferred cow due the deep body and straight loin, a very good massive back quarters, very rare in US cattle as I used some bulls from US and take off the meat. Is a grass cattle, able to produce in grass, fat in grass and produce high quality meat on grass. Medium framed (5 to 5.5).

You can contact me by facebook or email on jpmm@vetorial.net for additional informations about her or another animals here in Brazil, Uruguay or Argentina. You also can see the Rosetta X137 pedigree on this Sociedad Rural Argentina link - http://www.sra.org.ar/rrgg/arbol.php?sexo=2&raza=101&rp=%20%20%20%20X137&hbae=510224&nombre=DANTGIU%20ROSETTA%20REUQUE%20FLORIAE%20%20%20%20%20&hbap=520120&hbam=509289&asop=0&asom=0&asoc=0&rgst=&rgsp=&rgsm=&cdpx=%20X&colo=2.

She show some Us genetics through RPS Tribune 82 (sire line - g.g.gsire - twice on pedigree), Clark (Dairy Shorthorn - dam line - g.g.g.sire), TNT Fastrak (dam line - g.g.sire) and HS Instant Enticer (sire line  - g.g.g.sire).

Feel free to contact me. Regards.
Jean Pierre Machado - Brazil.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 08:23:20 AM »
thanks bud for posting her pedigree, what are ur embyros from her sired by?

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2012, 09:08:36 AM »
My embryos were sired by Maria Lucia Salvador 8167. He is by Acthorpe Karl a Lincoln Red bull that did a great job on Argentinain Shorthorn. The mother line is by a mix of Lincoln Red blood and Tribune and Clark. Bith these bulls were extensivelly used on some herds in Argentina were help to put size on cattle, unhapilly lacking meat on back. Salvador 8167 was twive Reserve Champion on Palermo and Champion bull there. Many sons and gradsons were champions there. Frame 6 around. Deep red color. Very long best. Some pics on my web www.vetorial.net/~shorthorn, look at embrioes and banco semen/shorthorn. Unhappilly is write in portuguese, but feel free to ask me additional info.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2012, 03:27:22 PM »
why would the US shorthorn herd need another round of unknown, completely different genetics?  I know, b/c that's what the shorthorn breed does- chase new things and hunt fads.

IMO, if you can't find the genetics, and the phenotype in the US/ Canada- then you're not looking hard enough.  This breed here is diverse enough to suit everyone.

Some of the finest Scotch Shorthorn genetics went to South America!  They would merely be getting to N. America via a detour and after a number of decades!

Good point about N. American diversity though.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2012, 08:19:06 AM »
They did introduce some Lincoln Red bloodlines as well, I'm not sure how much influence they have today.

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2012, 10:22:43 AM »
Strangely enough, in South Africa, Lincoln Red (Shorthorns) are still under the Shorthorn Society!  We are free to use their genetics in our herds without any problems regarding registration.

Having seen some Lincoln Red cattle at the last Royal Show in England, I was tempted!

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Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2012, 04:11:08 PM »
Lincoln Red were widely used on Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil for 15 years at least. I can tell you, 100% sure, that ALL Shorthorn cattle on these three countries show some Lincoln Red infusion. Today, of course, this influence is on back generations on almost all cattle. But ALL show Lincoln Red on the pedigrees. Direct use on Lincoln Red is impossible today due register rules, but use of animals with LR percentage that are already on the herd book is permitted. So I can use a half blood Lincoln Red bull on my cows since this bull is on herd book. At true I own semen of some bulls wih this case, the heterosis is increadible and the progeny show a very good type, specially to put meat on some US lines.

 

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