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When to castrate?
« on: June 29, 2012, 04:38:41 PM »
Hey guys I've castrated at different ages calf wise I was wondering what all the pros on here do. What's been a successful vaccination/castration protocol for you. Thanks in advance!

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 05:10:37 PM »
The younger the calf is, the less stress on him & the less possible set back. I also think about weather & other conditions that might already be reasons for stress. Outside of that, I do it the first chance I get after I decide he's gonna be a steer or whenever it's most handy...working cows, etc. There are those who think bulls grow faster, and they hold off on castration in leiu of added growth or pounds or muscle development...I don't know there has ever been any real proof of that. And if you wait TOO long, calves start to LOOK like bulls & can still look staggy after castration. That's my two cents...

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 05:11:27 PM »
The younger the calf is, the less stress on him & the less possible set back. I also think about weather & other conditions that might already be reasons for stress. Outside of that, I do it the first chance I get after I decide he's gonna be a steer or whenever it's most handy...working cows, etc. There are those who think bulls grow faster, and they hold off on castration in leiu of added growth or pounds or muscle development...I don't know there has ever been any real proof of that. And if you wait TOO long, calves start to LOOK like bulls & can still look staggy after castration. That's my two cents...

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 01:09:21 PM »
Do they even worry about flies anymore?
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 01:10:59 PM »
Flys aj?

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 10:39:31 PM »
I actually had a vet tell me one time his grand daddy used to say, "That's what their tails are for." I don't think it hurts to spray on a little screw worm balm...especially if he doesn't have a tail!

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 10:51:43 PM »
IF you cut them to late to keep the bag for show ,you can lose them ....I've   seen some VETS up in this country lose some high dollar calves ....I'VE lost a couple over the years ,thought I knew what I was doing until that happened ,feed can make as difference ,usually if you lose one they  bleed inside ....use _____novalson for healing and disinfectant ....

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 11:06:22 PM »
As soon as the young man walks through door! Though they usually leave when they notice all the equipment and iodine on the table. ;) ;)
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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 08:11:43 AM »
As soon as the young man walks through door! Though they usually leave when they notice all the equipment and iodine on the table. ;) ;)
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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2012, 09:11:00 AM »
As soon as the young man walks through door! Though they usually leave when they notice all the equipment and iodine on the table. ;) ;)
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Lol. That's funny. Three daughters here...

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 09:19:45 AM »
IF you cut them to late to keep the bag for show ,you can lose them ....I've   seen some VETS up in this country lose some high dollar calves ....I'VE lost a couple over the years ,thought I knew what I was doing until that happened ,feed can make as difference ,usually if you lose one they  bleed inside ....use _____novalson for healing and disinfectant ....

I'm not sure you couldn't lose one any time if the technique is a little off. A clean slice of the cord with a sharp blade WILL allow one to bleed to death. I've seen that once, and a vet did the cutting! I never thought much of that vet...

Instead of "slicing"'the cords, you should scrape them until they break, or i usually just pull them out completely if the calf isn't too big. Once they get big enough, that's hard to do. The jagged tissue helps with clotting, and if you do it right, they hardly bleed at all.

I also kinda believe in the signs, and you castrate when the signs are in the knees going down. They're supposed to bleed less and heal faster. I don't always plan around that because the signs don't always match up with my schedule, but when I think about it and can... Some do things that way...some people don't believe in em.

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 01:39:04 PM »
As soon as the young man walks through door! Though they usually leave when they notice all the equipment and iodine on the table. ;) ;)
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Aliens sure are cruel.  Do you have teenage daughters too?

Cruel is when we do an "abduction!" Here I am giving them a choice.  ;D Yes I do have a daughter and I sure don't like it when some humanoid punk puts his tentacles all over her.  <alien>
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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2012, 01:59:01 PM »
I also kinda believe in the signs, and you castrate when the signs are in the knees going down. They're supposed to bleed less and heal faster. I don't always plan around that because the signs don't always match up with my schedule, but when I think about it and can... Some do things that way...some people don't believe in em.

OK, so now I am curious; what are the signs in the knees??? I am trying to get a visual, but the only thing coming to me is when a guy gets "kneed" and goes down  ;D ;)
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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2012, 02:50:19 PM »
I also kinda believe in the signs, and you castrate when the signs are in the knees going down. They're supposed to bleed less and heal faster. I don't always plan around that because the signs don't always match up with my schedule, but when I think about it and can... Some do things that way...some people don't believe in em.


OK, so now I am curious; what are the signs in the knees??? I am trying to get a visual, but the only thing coming to me is when a guy gets "kneed" and goes down  ;D ;)

http://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/zodiac/

I'm with LeanBeef, when I have time I go with the sign.  We usually try to wean calves with the sign in the knees, some people swear by them ( a lot of old timers used them, it is becoming a lost practice).  They have signs for planting, harvesting, weaning, etc.  One old timer once told me he would rather wean calves on a cold rainy day with the sign being right vrs. a calm sunny day with the sign being wrong.  I think the signs have some merit to them, but just like other signs they are not a 100%.   We castrate at birth (never lost one).
My post are just my opinion.

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Re: When to castrate?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2012, 11:24:35 PM »
I don't pretend to understand how it all works, and I don't know who the people are who figure it all out for the rest of us, but I do believe it has merit. If you're skeptical, start noticing when you wean or castrate or dehorn...if they get over things like that easily or don't bleed much, check the signs. I would bet they would be below the knees. If they bawl for a weak or bleed like crazy, the signs will somewhere between the head & the heart.

You can get a farmers almanac calendar that shows the signs on it...that's a handy thing to have at the barn.

 

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