Which calf would you pick?? Regarding age

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SlickTxMaine

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Hi, went to look at steers for my son this morning.  Saw 3 we really liked.  The problem is their age.  All are priced the same.  There is a Strictly Business that was born in January, a Paddy O born in December and a Hardcore born in September.  The show is at the end of February.  My son really likes the SB calf, but I am worried he will be too young.  Any experience with growth rate on SB calfs?  Opinions on age please!!!
 

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i think you would need to go with the  september calf in my opinion you would never get the january steer ready he would only be arund a year old  dont think he would be properly finished
 

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I agree,  the Sept. Maybe the Dec., You may get the Jan to 1200#, but more than likely he will not finish real well. 
 

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We show about the same time of year and we usually try to get Sept or Oct age calves.
 

SlickTxMaine

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Thanks, that's what I was thinking, but my son really liked the young one.  I'll need to change his mind over the next day or so, we need to let the breeder know which one we want.
 

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If everything goes just right he could work.  But he can't get sick and go off feed even for a day.  you will have to be careful not to burn his gut up because you will have to push him really hard to make it.  It's not impossible but will be a uphill climb.
 

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i would say its highly unlikely even tho your son likes theyoung one the best i think he would  be dissapointed in the end  if he wants one to be successfull  one of the older calves would be the logical choice but i guess thats a choice the 2 of you will just have to make
 

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You'll never get the February there.  It just won't happen.  Strictly Business is primarily a maternal bull anyway.  I doubt one of his sons would be otherwise.  December is awfully young also for a February show.  Might make the back end of a lightweight class.  If the September Hard Core is close in quality at all, go that route.  If not, look elsewhere.

The February calf (and even the December one) aren't even out of their "cute puppydog" stage yet. 
 

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Would most people prefer to push or hold a calf?  This is only our second year with a steer, so we are still learning as we go!
 

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Just to be clear:

For springtime terminal shows in Texas, you have to "push" a calf if they are Septembers/early Octobers to get them to a weight and maturity level that they can compete.  Septembers/Octobers are considered young.  Late October calves rarely work, except for American breed calves which are faster growing.  Calves that are being held are Aprils/Mays and summer borns.

Most of the time, you are better off having to hold a calf - especially since we have to get them so fat now for the slick sheer shows.  You can hold one pretty easy.  On the other hand, you can only push a calf so hard.  There is a limit to what they will grow and gain.  You can get lots of young calves there in regards to weight, but you can't escape the maturity issue in most cases.  There are always exceptions.  For example, you can usually have a little better luck pushing a Charolais-X calf if they have purebred Charolais on the top or bottom because those calves will gain a little faster.   If you have the Heat Wave genetics or much of the small-framed Maine genetics anywhere (i.e. Irish Whiskey, Lifeline,etc), you can forget it.

Unless your goal is just a lightweight class, you are more often than not wasting your time with anything younger than an October calf.  Even in a lightweight class, its iffy.  For example, an ag teacher at my hometown does very well in the Red Angus breed.  In fact have more than a few major junior show overall breed champion heifers, including this year.  They had a couple of Red Angus steers at Houston that were real young (Decembers I think) and great looking.  But they were young and didn't get anything done because apparently they just weren't mature enough - even though they were there for weight.  
 

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I appreciate the information.....I will pass this on to my son, let him read it, and hopefully persuade him towards the older calf.  Thanks again!
 

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SlickTxMaine said:
Would most people prefer to push or hold a calf?  This is only our second year with a steer, so we are still learning as we go!

The best case scenario is not to have to do either, but if I have a choice I'll push one any day of the week, I don't like holding them. 
There is a difference in pushing one within reason and pushing one that has no way of ever reaching that end point goal and I think that is what you're asking if you take the younger calf, you may make weight, but I doubt he will finish.
 

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I would not go with the younger one as it is harder to put the weight on than it is to hold a steer.  There is plenty of help on here if you don't have any experience with that.  We have had a SB steer in the past but daily gains were not as good as other steers we have had.  Good luck.
 

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I realize it doesn't apply to you but if you ever do go the American route, November-December calves are just fine.  It's the exotics that will be a problem at those ages.
 

SlickTxMaine

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I finally convinced him by showing him all of your posts.  You know teenagers....know more than their parents!!  He decided on the September born Hardcore calf.  We'll be picking him  up later this month, and I'll post pics then to get some opinions.  Thanks to all!!
 
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