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Who is the BEST fronted "maternal bull" to make replacement females?

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I have a very good cow that is getting some age on her.  She does about everything right except her front end is not long or pretty enough to make "show heifers".  She is extremely deep ribbed, powerful, big topped, square made, moderate to small frame.  She is a Theobald 969 x Strictly Business (6807 angus) cow. 

I am looking for a proven "maternal bull" with a great front end, to breed her to, to make replacement cows for show heifers and club calves.  Nothing too small or too moderate frame, or I may end up with a pud.  Most of the more traditional maternal bulls that I am aware of just are not that good fronted and have not "changed" her offspring in the past.  I have wondered about getting away from the more traditional Maine x Angus and Simmi Angus sires and going back to something with some Chi influence such as Doctor Who?

Can anyone give me your experiences on this type of matings?

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Hannibal. He will pretty the fronts up. He won't down size. And he adds alittle hair. Th/ Pha free
 
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Dr.who made some great cows but he also threw some that were to clubby in my opinion. I would breed something like your talking to original Ali, or Bismarck to create that alpha cow!
 
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Very interesting.  I like the sounds of Hannibal with his extreme muscle and rocket front end, however would I "lose too much rib and depth"?

Perhaps I-80 or Mercedes Benz?

What are your thoughts on Maternal Perfection or Daddy's Money?
 
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I have used both Mercedes Benz and Maternal Perfection, in my herd.  I have bred both to my big broody percentage sim cows, and hands down I like Benz better for over all quality. They are thick and more attractive made, and I feel the females are a lot better over all... Perfection has been hit or miss for me, they are thick and hairy, but just not as consistent as Benz. He does clean the front ends a little better then Benz.
 
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fish94 said:
Dr.who made some great cows but he also threw some that were to clubby in my opinion. I would breed something like your talking to original Ali, or Bismarck to create that alpha cow!
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I am concerned about using an Angus bull (i.e. Bismarck, who I love), for fear I will lose thickness, muscle, and power?
 
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Circus Road said:
Hannibal. He will pretty the fronts up. He won't down size. And he adds alittle hair. Th/ Pha free
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Has anyone used Hannibal recently for making females?
 
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I donno hannible is alright I just never got an unbelievable female out of him. You could try cervesa, or try the new profit bull or maternal made bull seen some awesome heifers out of both of them!
 
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SEA said:
fish94 said:
Dr.who made some great cows but he also threw some that were to clubby in my opinion. I would breed something like your talking to original Ali, or Bismarck to create that alpha cow!
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I am concerned about using an Angus bull (i.e. Bismarck, who I love), for fear I will lose thickness, muscle, and power?
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Haha.  If you've already got some muscle you won't lose anything in the thickness and power department.  Check out my thread on my Bismarck cow: http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/sav-bismarck-female/
 

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What about Maternal Made?
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I was wondering about Maternal Made myself.  Bred a couple to him last year and expecting calves in a couple weeks.  I think he is a very good bull.

What frame size is Maternal Made and is he "excellent fronted"?  As I need to clean-up her front end.
 
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I ageee without I don't think he would sacrifice to much power with Bismarck.... but the maternal maxes that iv seen have been real clean fronted, and they have the look!
 
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I have used Bismarck, Gold Standard, and this year, Bush's Unbelievable at my place but only on heifers.  I really like all three.  My Bismarck is a little "weak topped".  The Unbelievable's may have a little more muscle and power.  All great phenotype and profile and fronts!

Not sure which is best?

On a side note...given say, all three are fairly equal ie milk, udder and teats, structure, power, front, hip, foot, length of body, depth of rib, width and top...which one has the most hair?
 
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