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Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« on: July 03, 2007, 06:58:11 AM »
Thought this might be an interesting topic. We've gotten some really good information from several Shorthorn breeders & of course our Lowline expert TJ!
I'm wondering what is it about your breed that you really like? Is it maternal, show ring appeal, carcass or just anything!

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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 07:04:13 AM »
Why I like Maine-Anjou cattle!

I like their disposition
They for the most part are good mothers
Easy keeping
Feed out great
good show appeal
can come in my favorite color red! or black if you're so inclinded
great hair
love their disposition
nothing better than a pasture of red & black cows grazing w/ their calves!

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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 07:42:42 AM »
Shorty's
Grew up in the 70's -80's with them as a kid
Docile temperment
Mothering ability
Milk
Color= its always a interesting to see what you get
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 08:42:39 AM »
OH Breeder pretty much said it all!

Its like christmas as a kid, everytime one calves you dont know what your gonna get.
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 02:27:09 PM »
I like herefords for their docile temperment, their ability to grow hair and body wise and they really pop out in the ring especially here where it's angus or nothing. 

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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 03:19:11 PM »
i have maine's for fun, mostly for eating and covering costs and give to friends.  i like them because they seem to be combine genes that in other cattle would be antagonistic like bone, milk, efficiency, marbling on grass, recent dual breed history and lot's of variability.  they also don't seem to be encumbered with a lot of pretension and marketing hype which blurs the lines.   that said, mine are black.  they seem to have a lot of genetic heterozygosity and potential for flexibility for inputs compared to other breeds which seem much closer to matching their inputs and rely to heavily on who the breeder is rather than who the cattle are.
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 04:42:17 PM »
 I'm going to agree with Ohio Breeder!!!  (clapping)
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 06:18:02 PM »
Shorthorns

There are over 40 breeds of cattle that trace back the the shorthorns so, they obviously have many good traits. Personally I like their docility the most. I can put my daughter on my shoulders and walk through the pasture with no fear of being charged. Show ring presence, milking ability, color, and fertility are other traits I like.
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 09:43:51 PM »
I like Shorthorns the best because when I got into the cattle business full time with my own money they were truely the only breed I felt like I could get a decent start in and actually make a real profit and 13 yrs later I feel like I was not wrong....
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 09:59:28 PM »
Things I like about Maines
Maines - high percentage esp red and white
temperament
docility
fertility
size (big I like big cows)
structurally correct
great mothers

Things that don't really thrill me
show ring appeal ---> like Pete Seeger's "Little Boxes" -  (remember that JIT??) short, hairy, androgenous females that look like all other short hairy little androgenous females and have no zero zip breed character

horns I don't like so much either - but they are easier to deal with
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2007, 07:13:32 AM »
Red Angus - After working for a fittting service for 15 years I made the transition from commercial cattle to Red Angus. Of all the breeds that we worked, the Red Angus put the most good things togather in one package with the fewest unwanted characteristics. Calving ease, Maternal traits, heat tolerance, growth, disposition (most of them), roughage conversion, carcass traits, fertility, fleshing ability, and consistency. I still have many friends in other breeds that have asked why I went with the Reds 20 some odd years ago when they were a "minor" breed. I usually reply that the cattle are so good that the people haven't been able to screw them up (There are some that really try though). The biggest thing I don't like is the fact that the National association is so "pro" EPD and anti show. It has gotten to the point that the association influences the out come of alot of shows - cattle with the "right" EPDs win reguardless of how good or bad they might be.
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2007, 08:49:30 AM »
Red Angus - After working for a fittting service for 15 years I made the transition from commercial cattle to Red Angus. Of all the breeds that we worked, the Red Angus put the most good things togather in one package with the fewest unwanted characteristics. Calving ease, Maternal traits, heat tolerance, growth, disposition (most of them), roughage conversion, carcass traits, fertility, fleshing ability, and consistency. I still have many friends in other breeds that have asked why I went with the Reds 20 some odd years ago when they were a "minor" breed. I usually reply that the cattle are so good that the people haven't been able to screw them up (There are some that really try though). The biggest thing I don't like is the fact that the National association is so "pro" EPD and anti show. It has gotten to the point that the association influences the out come of alot of shows - cattle with the "right" EPDs win reguardless of how good or bad they might be.

RW - I have heard that about the Red Angus in regards to EPDs - re temperament - I have had several individuals "warn" me about certain lines of Black Angus to stay away from - and it is a breed I generally do not enjoy working with (give me a Maine or a Shortie any day ;D) but are their lines of Red Angus a person should avoid when crossing either for Durham Reds or use for calving ease on red Maines. Esp can you comment on Leachman Heavenly 8141 and his various offspring with Heavenly (or Heaven something) in their name)? thanks appreciate all the breed knowledgable people we have here, DL
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2007, 10:17:03 AM »
As far as the disposition issues in the Reds - most of the problem cattle are coming in from black parentage outcrosses -EXT is a prime example of an outcross pedigree that has brought some disposition problems into the Reds. Red Quantock 27M was a bull that brought some nasty attitudes a few years ago. The Glacier Marias cattle are known to have some fire in them, the ones I have been around were like ticking time bombs- you just never knew when they were going to explode or what was going to set them off. The Heavenly 8141 cattle I have been around didn't have any serious disposition problems whowever alot of them had some serious foot and leg issues so we never used him. Heaven or bust is the other bull I think  you were refering to. He was a heavenly 8141 son that was known to be a reasonable easy calving bull with fewer structure problems than his sire. I guess for me there are too many good bulls available that are easy calving bulls with out sacrificing other traits or structural soundness. We have sold quite a bit of semen on our senior herd sire to clubby guys that are breeding their first calf heifers and it is my understanding that Sullivans used calving ease Red Angus bulls on their first calf shorty heifers. I would think that if the Duram Red deal takes off, it would be a natural progression that a large percentage of virgin short horn heifers would be bred to R A  bulls for their calving ease as well as the calves being "Durams". One word of caution to those of you who may be looking at this as an option, don't get too carried away selecting for calving ease traits - a bull with a -4.0 BW EPD will likely sire some pretty small calves even when used on a larger BW type cow. On a slightly different note - the bull that led our breed for the last couple of years in calves registered by the sire will be put down this week because his feet are so bad that he cannot get around even in a dry lot. This was not caused by too much feed and he was never foundered, it is a strictly genetic problem that has been passed on to literaly thousands of his offspring and I'm afraid this will be a problem that will haunt many breeders for years and generations to come. I am absolutely jumping through hula hoops happy that we never used him or any of his sons in our herd. I think it's time that we need to spend more time looking at the cattle and less time looking at the registration papers and EPDs when it comes to making our breeding decisions. 
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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2007, 10:18:48 AM »
RW- (clapping)

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Re: Why do you like your breed of cattle?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 10:51:52 AM »
One word of caution to those of you who may be looking at this as an option, don't get too carried away selecting for calving ease traits - a bull with a -4.0 BW EPD will likely sire some pretty small calves even when used on a larger BW type cow. On a slightly different note - the bull that led our breed for the last couple of years in calves registered by the sire will be put down this week because his feet are so bad that he cannot get around even in a dry lot. This was not caused by too much feed and he was never foundered, it is a strictly genetic problem that has been passed on to literaly thousands of his offspring and I'm afraid this will be a problem that will haunt many breeders for years and generations to come. I am absolutely jumping through hula hoops happy that we never used him or any of his sons in our herd. I think it's time that we need to spend more time looking at the cattle and less time looking at the registration papers and EPDs when it comes to making our breeding decisions. 

AMEN (to your last line) and thanks for the great info. There are very few RA in MI and the ones I have worked on I would not take home to Mother!  What kind of foot and leg issues are you referring to with Heavenly? He also had a son Leachmans Heavenly 3043 (number may be wrong) but semen is not available on him. What RA bulls do you suggest for calving ease for heifers? Tell me about your sr sire (you may have covered him before but I can't remember where) and do you sell semen thru SEK? I love my Maines but most are related sometimes closely to the Maine calving ease sires - I have used Money Man this year on cows and if that works well could try heifers,; won't use Ali, and some of the others promoted as calving ease are not convincing....so looking to other options - esp with the red heifers - have a great one,
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