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A few bull pics
« on: January 20, 2016, 10:40:05 PM »
Here are a few of the bulls we are developing this winter that will be offered in the Sun Country Shorthorn Sale on March 8th at Johnstone Auction Mart, Moose Jaw,SK.

1) HC Cha-Ching 51C - smooth polled, born April 19th. BW 90 lbs unassisted.
Sire: HC Free Spirit 6Y ET   Dam: SULL Dazzling Ruby 8115 ET  51C is Dazzling Ruby's natural calf in 2015. An ET full brother also sells. I'm not sure which one is the best!
2) HC Cabela 32T-  March 18/15 son of Shady Lane Rockstar 9X and from a Major Leroy dam. A full brother sold in our 2014 sale and was one of the high sellers to a Montana ranch
3) HC Captain Canada 27C - born April 1/15. BW 95 lbs unassisted. Sire: HC Free Spirit 6Y ET Dam is a Major Leroy cow. A maternal brother was our top selling bull in 2014.
4) HC Bedrock 73B - smooth polled son of Muridale Buster 14K. 78 lb BW. His dam is SBF WHR Janet 65Z ( a Waukaru Patent 8161 ET daughter). We used him on our heifers last year, but since we are offering almost all our heifers in this sale, we have decided to put him in the sale. We will keep some semen for in herd use only.
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 10:19:05 AM »
name a son of bedrock, bedrock buster.  he's a nice bull. maybe muridale will buy him.
make sure you collect him before sale.
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 12:53:51 PM »
Really like bedrock 73b

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 02:11:50 PM »
All those bulls look good-Hopefully the roan will go public. Any Free Spirits on the horizen? O0

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 05:03:12 PM »
All those bulls look good-Hopefully the roan will go public. Any Free Spirits on the horizen? O0

51C and 27C that are pictured are both sons of Free Spirit. There are several other Free Spirit bulls and heifers in the sale. They are the best sire group we have and are also one of the best sire groups we have ever raised. They are moderate framed and very thick, just like Free Spirit is. I am weighing them again on Jan 28th and it will be interesting to see how the pen is gaining. So far, the Free Spirit bulls are far ahead of the rest of the pen for gain. On the last weigh on December 28th, 27C weighed 956 at 8.5 months of age.
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 11:47:03 PM »
Bulls look good Grant. The two out of the Leroy dams seem the have his muscle expression.  I too am a fan of the buster son. He will sell well.

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2016, 07:54:48 PM »
That bedrock bull is special.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2016, 11:18:01 AM »
bam bam, pebbles, mr. slate, gazoo
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 10:17:59 PM »
I thought I would include a picture of a non appendix 100% Shorthorn bull that will be selling. He is HC Neon Leon 38C. He is sired by Birdtail G Gus 1W and his dam is HA Deerpark Kildysart 27th.  He was born on April 10/15 with a BW of 88 lbs. He is one of the fastest gaining bulls in the pen. I have not had a color pattern like this before and I have been doing this almost my entire life. He was nicknamed Neon Leon when we found him at birth and when it came time to register him, we couldn't think of a name more fitting for him. Has anyone else had any experience with a non appendix Shorthorn with this color pattern?
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2016, 10:41:29 AM »
I know years ago there were some wild colored cattle at Dick Braham's in Michigan. And I remember a bull from the '80s nicknamed Neon Leon.  I want to say his real name was Rolyn O'Leary?

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2016, 11:58:47 AM »
I thought I would include a picture of a non appendix 100% Shorthorn bull that will be selling. He is HC Neon Leon 38C. He is sired by Birdtail G Gus 1W and his dam is HA Deerpark Kildysart 27th.  He was born on April 10/15 with a BW of 88 lbs. He is one of the fastest gaining bulls in the pen. I have not had a color pattern like this before and I have been doing this almost my entire life. He was nicknamed Neon Leon when we found him at birth and when it came time to register him, we couldn't think of a name more fitting for him. Has anyone else had any experience with a non appendix Shorthorn with this color pattern?
IMO, this bull is, from the pictures, better than at least two of the bulls in your initial post. Add the good BW and growth and you get a good package!
In my experience, bulls with a red and white colouring seldom throw white calves, which are impossible to sell in South Africa, so I would be a keen bidder on this bull. Xbar could possibly throw some light on this colour issue as he seems to have a good grasp of colour heritability in Shorthorns.
In general they are good bulls JIT (clapping)

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2016, 01:02:57 PM »
I know years ago there were some wild colored cattle at Dick Braham's in Michigan. And I remember a bull from the '80s nicknamed Neon Leon.  I want to say his real name was Rolyn O'Leary?

It was the O'Leary bull that I got the Neon Leon name from. I remember him and he actually was a very good bull, but his color was pretty wild and he was not considered big enough framed for that day. He would have been near perfect frame for what I am trying to produce today.

On the topic of color patterns, here is something else I have often thought about. In 1984, we displayed IDS Duke Of  Dublin at the Denver show. He had just arrived from Ireland a few months before this. Duke was basically a red bull with a very few white markings. He had a white mark on his heart on the left side of his body. He also had a white spot on the underside of his tail that was not visible unless you lifted his tail and looked. Dick Prentice from Arrowhead Farms in Indiana spent a considerable amount of time  going over Duke and he eventually lifted his tail and saw the white spot ( slightly larger than a quarter). He turned to me and said that we would have white calves from Duke as he had a white spot on the underside of his tail. He said that any Shorthorn bull with white on the underside of his tail would sire an occasional white calf. I thought this was an old wives tale and basically dismissed it as being a bit on the crazy side. The third calf born from Duke was white and over the years we used him here we had 3 white calves from him. I have never heard anyone else ever make this comment, and often have wondered how or where Dick got this from.
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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2016, 08:50:33 AM »
I have had numerous calves similar in color pattern to your bull.  In fact, I had a heifer calf a few days ago with just a hair more red on her.  Most of the ones I have had were sired by GR Cop Top Trampas who had some 3W Payoff in him.  The calf born the other day has no Payoff in her, but like Trampas and your bull (I assume this because of his dam's name) has Irish breeding.  Leggs was similar in color to your bull and I believe he was in O'Leary's pedigree.  Regardless, Payoff goes back to Dividend, the dam of my calf is sired by a full brother to Rose T90 (sired by a full brother to Leggs, TA Leader).  Many, but not all, calves of this color have a little Maine in them.  I also remember seeing several Milking Shorthorns similar in color pattern.  Disperse the red hairs a little bit and you'd have one of those great red-neck roans!

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2016, 08:51:08 AM »
Forgot to add that he looks like a pretty good calf.

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Re: A few bull pics
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2016, 01:09:27 PM »
We have a JJC Wild Side daughter marked a little like JIT's wild-colored bull, except that she's only about 80% white.  Oakview's observation about combining Irish (especially Dividend/Leader 13th) with Maine is on target.  I have less experience with the milk lines, although we did sample Columbus, Hubs, etc. 

The Scotch cattle tended to throw more even roans and very few of the spotted or splotchy colors we have had in recent decades.  Even the Canadian cattle sometimes threw brighter colors than what we'd had previously.  Leader 9th (Canadian dam) sired us some belts and different color patterns than the old, horned Scotch cattle. 

I am just fine with modern Polled Shorthorns, but early on the polled cattle breeders likely tolerated more "off colors" as the polled trait was highly sought after.  The newer blood (Irish, dual, polled, etc.) clearly improved the old Scotch type, but generally produced more chrome.  Red-necked roans as well as whites were common in our herd, probably in the 30's and 40's before red became the rage, as well as pony type.   

 

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