Any of this old semen worth anything at all...

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RMRW

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A friend of mine who is an angus breeder bought an old use semen tank with some semen in it, its older shorthorn semen, he askd me if it was worth anythng or shoud he just throw it out, here is a list of the bulls...
JBS Signal
Time Share
Golden Doc
Seville
Combat
Titleist
PowerPlay
Masterpiece
Irish Special
and a cane code of ___627
also there are a couple old embryos, ill have to check with him again on the cane code of them...
These are just what is on top of the canes that he has been able to read!
There is also 2 units of Rodeo Drive... I put dibs on it...lolol...
I told him i would do some checking, so Thanks for any help...
 

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Are you certain these are all Shorthorn sires??

A couple of the names sound like Maines to me -- Titlelist and Seville -- if that is the Titleist I am thinking of , it was one of Derouchey's old calving ease bulls -- a fella over in Saint Francis Kansas bought that old bull at about 10 years old in 2004, the bull had been frost bitten so bad, he was sterile and never produced another unit of semen -- he never got his money back either sory to say.

Another bull that sounds like Angus would be Powerplay -- is that PS Powerplay?? If so, he was pretty high on the list for making fabulous females.

The first bull JBS Signal could be of the Signal Simmental lines. I am kind of out of th eloop on the rest tohugh, meybe I am off all together too -- has happened before -- can I say "" DUH "" ??

Good luck getting a handle on the rest --

Terry
 

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These are all Shorthorn sires. JBS Signal is an older bull ( I think from the 80s) who was sired by JBS Astronaut and if he is the one I am thiniking about, his dam was  by Deerpark Dividend.
I am not familiar with a bull called Timeshare, but I a m thinking this is semen from one of the many sires that Timeshare Breeders used to have. Check it out,as some of their bulls were good. Timeshare had a large number of bulls including RPS Tribune, the sire of HS Rodeo Drive 062WR.

Golden Doc was a red neck roan bull that sold in the Denver sale to Twig Marston in KS and later to Bruce Wallace in North Carolina.I really liked this bull when he sold, but I have not seen many offspring. I remember one super female selling in Denver a few years later that I would have loved to have.Golden Doc was sired by AF Deerpark Dividend 79, who was one of the better Dividend sons. I tried to buy Golden Doc when he sold in Denver.

Seville sold for $105,000 and was sired by GR Dreamboat from a IDS Duke of Dublin dam. He was a huge bull and he sired cattle with birth weight and extreme size. I have seen some Seville cattle that were OK though.

Combat is a bull I remember but I have no opinion on how he bred.... I remember him being promoted, but I do not remember any offspring.. so that is maybe all one needs to k now about him/> Are you sure this is Combat or is it Combo.... Combo is a different deal. He did leave some noticable calves.

Titliest was a Denver Champion for Sutherland Farms, Prospect, KY. In my opinion he did not put enough thickness into his cattle. He worked with a few cows that had lots of volume. He left better females than bulls in my opinion. Sutherland's Marellan cow worked with Titliest  pretty well.

Powerplay is most likely AFK Powerplay who was a GR Combo son,and he was out of a very good cow named Bonnie Ruberta, who was a daughter of Deerpark Leader 18th. Powerplay left some good daughters.... most of which would not be stout enough for today... but that does not mean this semen should be discarded.

Masterpiece could be one of a couple of bulls. I assume this is GR Masterpiece, who sold to Spring Place Shorthorns in Georgia. Spring Place also had the Combat bull that is also listed here. Masterpiece was sired by JBS Astronaut and was out of Abbotts Lil who was also the dam of GR Dreamboat. She had  a Chi grandsire.

Irish Special was GM Irish Special, who was also a National Champion .He was a solid red polled bull sired by Lazy D Irish Special. He was a bull with some depth and thickness and he may be a bull worth trying again. I personally liked Irish Special and he had a pretty decent pedigree. His sire Irish Jack was sired by Sutherland Ransom 179 who was a real well muscled bull that Waukaru is still using in their herd. Irish Jack was out of a Deerpark Corofin cow that was one of the better Irish import cows. I would not throw this semen from Irish Special out !! I am sure someone would like to buy this.

Check out the cane code 627 as well as the embryos and let us know what they are.   Hope this helps
 

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justintime said:
These are all Shorthorn sires. JBS Signal is an older bull ( I think from the 80s) who was sired by JBS Astronaut and if he is the one I am thiniking about, his dam was  by Deerpark Dividend.
I am not familiar with a bull called Timeshare, but I a m thinking this is semen from one of the many sires that Timeshare Breeders used to have. Check it out,as some of their bulls were good. Timeshare had a large number of bulls including RPS Tribune, the sire of HS Rodeo Drive 062WR.

Golden Doc was a red neck roan bull that sold in the Denver sale to Twig Marston in KS and later to Bruce Wallace in North Carolina.I really liked this bull when he sold, but I have not seen many offspring. I remember one super female selling in Denver a few years later that I would have loved to have.Golden Doc was sired by AF Deerpark Dividend 79, who was one of the better Dividend sons. I tried to buy Golden Doc when he sold in Denver.

Seville sold for $105,000 and was sired by GR Dreamboat from a IDS Duke of Dublin dam. He was a huge bull and he sired cattle with birth weight and extreme size. I have seen some Seville cattle that were OK though.

Combat is a bull I remember but I have no opinion on how he bred.... I remember him being promoted, but I do not remember any offspring.. so that is maybe all one needs to k now about him/> Are you sure this is Combat or is it Combo.... Combo is a different deal. He did leave some noticable calves.

Titliest was a Denver Champion for Sutherland Farms, Prospect, KY. In my opinion he did not put enough thickness into his cattle. He worked with a few cows that had lots of volume. He left better females than bulls in my opinion. Sutherland's Marellan cow worked with Titliest  pretty well.

Powerplay is most likely AFK Powerplay who was a GR Combo son,and he was out of a very good cow named Bonnie Ruberta, who was a daughter of Deerpark Leader 18th. Powerplay left some good daughters.... most of which would not be stout enough for today... but that does not mean this semen should be discarded.

Masterpiece could be one of a couple of bulls. I assume this is GR Masterpiece, who sold to Spring Place Shorthorns in Georgia. Spring Place also had the Combat bull that is also listed here. Masterpiece was sired by JBS Astronaut and was out of Abbotts Lil who was also the dam of GR Dreamboat. She had  a Chi grandsire.

Irish Special was GM Irish Special, who was also a National Champion .He was a solid red polled bull sired by Lazy D Irish Special. He was a bull with some depth and thickness and he may be a bull worth trying again. I personally liked Irish Special and he had a pretty decent pedigree. His sire Irish Jack was sired by Sutherland Ransom 179 who was a real well muscled bull that Waukaru is still using in their herd. Irish Jack was out of a Deerpark Corofin cow that was one of the better Irish import cows. I would not throw this semen from Irish Special out !! I am sure someone would like to buy this.

Check out the cane code 627 as well as the embryos and let us know what they are.  Hope this helps

JIT,

The bull from Timeshare could be anything from "Guinness" to "Seven T's Greg"

You mentioned the Combat bull, which was probably "SPS Combat", and you are correct.  He was owned by Spring Place Shorthorns (Carl Poteet) down here in Chatsworth Georgia where I now live.  Combat was a son of SMF Fifth Avenue" and he was out of a Maine Anjou cow called, "BVR Satin 22S" sired by "Calberta North Star 25N".  I was told that Combat's mother was as long as a double cabbed duley pick up truck, and she had legs as big around as coffee cans. 

GR Masterpiece of course was a maternal brother to GR Dreamboat who was also the sire of Evergreen Seville.  I never got to see the mother of Dreamboat and Masterpiece, however was told that the "Abbott's Lil" cow was a big old 3/4  Chi/Shorthorn cross, and she was yellow with brindle stripes on her body, and she was around 63 inches tall. 

Back when I lived in North Carolina, I was able to visit Bruce Wallace's place.  I got to see Golden Doc and several of his calves.  I really liked them. 

As far as the Seville semen is concerned, considering his heavy birthweights, and the fact that he has been known to sire 10 frame cattle,  I'm sure it would make good fertilize for your grass.......if ya know what I mean?  LOL!
 

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  Are you that the code 627 is not 027? 027 was one code they used on Rodeo Drive, they used a couple different ones.
I agree with JIT on most of what he said on the sires , Irish Special does make some nice cows except at about at 6 years their bags go to heck. Bonnie Ruberta was a awesome female in my opinion & died on my place. Seville was out of  Bonnie Rachel ( Nat'l Jr Show Champ) , a Bonnie Ruberta dtr.  We had 2 Grand Slam x Bonnie Rachel dtrs.
 

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JIT -- I have been trumped by the master!

Good example of sticking out neck in a knife shop -- I admit the Shorty's are my weak suit!

Sorry all

Terry
 

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To answer your original question, not really except the RD. It's worth 150-250 depending on which collection code. Most of the semen can be bought for 10-20 a straw. Some of those bulls like JIT said on the right cows will give you some functional cows, but the odds are against any show stoppers. :-\
 
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