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« on: April 27, 2021, 09:14:08 AM »
Epicurious magazine announced they have eliminated any beef recipes from their future publications.  They said it wasn't anything against cattle, just trying to do their part to save the planet.  According to the article I read, an arm of the UN declared that 15% of all global greenhouse gas emissions derive from livestock.  Of that, 65% is attributed to cattle.  I heard some story over the weekend that the Government's Green New Deal proposal would limit red meat consumption to 4 pounds per year, though that was walked back some yesterday.  Does the National Beef Producers organization have any contrary information they could present?  Is there anything to be done to combat this type of thing?  Are cattle really so bad that we all need to jump off a cliff?  After chasing the cattle off first, of course?  I'm not too smart, but I have a hard time believing that cattle do more harm to the environment than all the cars in Los Angeles.  True or not, the perception is out there. 

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2021, 09:29:17 AM »
As usual organizations that are against animal agriculture continue to lie,lie,lie to spread their narrative that livestock is so terrible.

Back when the covid started and business shut down and there were many companies that allowed employees that could to work remotely from home.  It was interesting that they showed pictures of several cities before the lockdown and then again just a few week later.  It was amazing how much clearer the air was.

Agriculture as a whole compared to other industries produces about 9% of the green house gasses.  But within that 9%, livestock account for about 3%.

Here is a line to an article from Texas A&M https://agrilifeextension.tamu.edu/library/ranching/the-role-of-animal-agriculture-on-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#:~:text=The%20most%20important%20GHGs%20from%20animal%20agriculture%20are%20methane%20and,more%20heat%20than%20carbon%20dioxide.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2021, 10:22:36 AM »
ok,  I'll bite.... I looked this magazine up, but did not find any subscription levels-- how popular of a magazine is this?  I never heard of it until now-- but I live in the "fly over" zone of deplorables... so maybe it is an uppity east/west coast mag.   So in my mind we are still a free, capitalistic country with supply and demand.  We can take the risk to open a business (meat production) and sell our products.  Are they really going to be able to ban- limit beef consumption (in this case) with this plan-- will this plan pass to law?  how are they going to enforce this law?  Just shut everything down from the cow/calf, feeder, feedlot, processing plant, wholesaler, store......   Where in the hell is this country going????

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2021, 10:25:54 AM »
on a lighter note-- maybe the NCBA, several state cattle associations, etc. need to buy ad space in this magazine-- I bet they wouldn't turn down the ad income....

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2021, 10:55:29 AM »
on a lighter note-- maybe the NCBA, several state cattle associations, etc. need to buy ad space in this magazine-- I bet they wouldn't turn down the ad income....
Brilliant idea!

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 11:31:11 AM »
Unfortunately, we are rapidly moving away from a somewhat free capitalistic way of life to a more socialistic brand totally controlled by the east/west coast elite.  Every day some company introduces another meatless "burger".  Too often some state introduces a proposal to limit or greatly influence livestock production, especially beef.  Some government agency advocates Meatless Mondays all the time.  I have heard way too many celebrity types talk about giving up beef to save the planet.  It's coming.  Livestock producers, especially cattlemen, need to step up to the plate.  Do you suppose the New York Times would print an article contradicting the imminent demise of the planet resulting from beef production?  I would bet not.   

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 11:59:49 AM »
Check out Kamal Harris' viewpoint on beef consumption on the Fox News website.  Just read it.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2021, 03:09:35 PM »
Strangely enough, nobody has had the 'balls' to actually say that we are breeding ourselves off the face of the planet! Most likely a product of the 'welfare state' type of situation most parts of the Western world are now accustomed to.
I thought Covid-19 was going to kick us into a new gear, but governments made the entrepreneur suffer the fall on their sword, at the expense of the public.
Big business now has a stronger stranglehold on the general populace, taking into consideration the internet and home deliveries, just to mention the few.
The beef/milk cattle issue is just a 'smoke-screen' to bigger issues on the agenda. JMO

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2021, 08:50:50 PM »
jim jones party at hypoquisling magazine tonight.

bring your own coolaid.

recipes provided upon request.

i seriously can not understand why they don't remove their own footprint and show some commitment.

expecting everyone else to do it is hypocritical

they should seriously have recipes for soylent green.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2021, 03:59:52 AM »
"The generation that told us to question authority, has now become the Authority we cannot question!"

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2021, 06:34:46 AM »
"The generation that told us to question authority, has now become the Authority we cannot question!"

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2021, 08:57:05 AM »
The Great Reset is a huge corporate land grab. Whoever controls the food and water controls the population. A rancher can go broke or take the payoff and move to one of the Population Center Designated Territories.
Another set of policy measures that would stimulate more resource-efficient food systems entail directing stimulus packages towards R&D to support the diversification away from diets based on resource- intensive animal proteins, and towards four main categories of alternatives aquatic, plant-based, insect-based and laboratory-cultured. Private capital is pouring into this emerging sector,64 whose market growth offers the potential for 30 million new jobs by 2030.65 Regulatory standards will also need to be set to ensure products reaching the market are safe and healthy, along with a Just Transition from the traditional meat sector (along with reskilling). Corporate bailout packages for the meat sector could accelerate these developments by establishing even higher standards for health and safety, both of the products and employment conditions.
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_NNER_II_The_Future_of_Business_and_Nature_Policy_Companion_2020.pdf
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/covid19-great-reset-new-normal/
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Re: cattle on the hot seat
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2021, 12:18:17 PM »
future scenario:  common meat and production has been regulated to the 9th degree to either get everyone to quit or sell out--- underground meat production-- kind of like Prohibition-- Hamburger speak-easy's,  anyone willing to go against the feds and produce will have tremendous mark up on product-- money to be made, but high maintenance and deception on keeping your operation under wraps... Who will be the Al Capone of illegal ribeyes?  The people that can hide the cattle in the mountains will probably have the best chance of keeping them out of the Fed's hands and can provide us our boot-leg burger.  I don't see where I am going to hide a group of cows in Iowa very easily.

This Great Reset does not appeal to me- It reminds me of when in the 80's cold war my parents sat down with us to watch "The Day After"-- scared the hell out of me and we talked about surviving a nuclear attack with no infastructure, no food, no medicine/doctors available.   Me-- I said why would I want to live in a world like that?  My dad always said-- don't you want to survive?  Me-- why???????


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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2021, 09:40:28 AM »
Interesting perspective on nukes and the cold war.  You should have been around in the 60's.  When I was in elementary school, we routinely had nuclear bomb day.  When the alarm in the school went off, we bent over, put our heads on our desks, and placed our hands over our heads.  We remained that way until the all clear alarm sounded.  I don't know a lot about nuclear bombs, but I don't think our actions would have truly protected us very well.  We were told the radioactive fall out from the nuclear bomb would travel 30 miles.  There was, and still is I believe, a small nuclear reactor in Ames.  I did the math and our house was about 25 miles away.  We were screwed.  Bomb shelter kits were advertised on TV and I knew several people that built one.  Canned goods that were edible for 50 years and more were advertised.  My grandkids tell me they're now eating that food through the school lunch program, but I don't know if that's true.  By the way, we were told the Ames reactor was definitely on the Reds list to take care of.  When you're 5 o7 years old this kind of stuff scares you.  Lots of stuff scares you at that age.  I remember when John Kennedy was assassinated I was absolutely sure the person(s) responsible were going to drive to my house and get me.  There was an attic door in my closet, so to be safe I put my box of magazines in front of the closet door.  Of course the magazines were all Shorthorn Worlds. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2021, 10:48:19 AM »
Interesting perspective on nukes and the cold war.  You should have been around in the 60's.  When I was in elementary school, we routinely had nuclear bomb day.  When the alarm in the school went off, we bent over, put our heads on our desks, and placed our hands over our heads.  We remained that way until the all clear alarm sounded.  I don't know a lot about nuclear bombs, but I don't think our actions would have truly protected us very well.  We were told the radioactive fall out from the nuclear bomb would travel 30 miles.  There was, and still is I believe, a small nuclear reactor in Ames.  I did the math and our house was about 25 miles away.  We were screwed.  Bomb shelter kits were advertised on TV and I knew several people that built one.  Canned goods that were edible for 50 years and more were advertised.  My grandkids tell me they're now eating that food through the school lunch program, but I don't know if that's true.  By the way, we were told the Ames reactor was definitely on the Reds list to take care of.  When you're 5 o7 years old this kind of stuff scares you.  Lots of stuff scares you at that age.  I remember when John Kennedy was assassinated I was absolutely sure the person(s) responsible were going to drive to my house and get me.  There was an attic door in my closet, so to be safe I put my box of magazines in front of the closet door.  Of course the magazines were all Shorthorn Worlds.

Living in the Midwest, it finally came out that no shelter would work to save us.  Back in the early 80's (I think) there was a movie that came out on TV called "The Day After".  It was about a nuclear war and what would happen.  Here in the heartland there were minute man missiles that had been installed.  They said that the foreign countries that had nukes were aimed right at us.  Outcome isn't good.  Don't know how things would be now that they have all been taken out.

 

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