CAB, I am thinking of trying him on 2nd calf heifers where I might use a "Club Calf Bull", do not want the BW and size of some Clubby bulls calves. I probably keep my cows too fat for some cattleman's thinking. LOL! Sometimes in the past I breed the 2nd calf heifers to a more maternal bull. I have also used bulls such as "No Worries", second time around. My finely figured out a long time back that my heifers have their whole lifetime ahead of them and I like live calves and cows and prefer not to "PULL"!