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« on: March 07, 2018, 10:18:14 AM »
Does anyone have a sale report from the Sun Country sale?

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 09:10:16 AM »
Here's what I have:  1-11,000  2-4,000  4-3,250  5-3,750  6-4,000  7-5,000  8-4,000  9-3,750  10-8,000  11-2,750  12-6,750  14-4,500  15-9,000  19-4,000  22-8,000  23-4,000  24-5,250  25-3,000  26-5,800  28-6,000  29-9,000  31-7,500  32-6,500  33-3,750  34-6,000  35-3,250  36  -3,000  37-5,000  38-2,900  I missed a few bulls and watched only a few heifers.  112-6,000  113-5,000  108-3,500  103-3,000

I wish we could sell bulls like that in the states!

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 03:12:30 PM »
Thanks.  It looks like it was a good sale.

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2018, 07:04:24 AM »
The bulls averaged $5220 and the open heifers averaged $3812. For the third year in a row, we had a blizzard hit and it raged for 3 days just prior to our sale. We were needing snow, but the timing was not great for our sale. We had a good crowd when you consider that many people could not attend as they could not get out of their yards. I could not believe the snow banks in my yard and pens when I got home. There will be many days of moving snow. I am beginning to think that all I need to do to get some moisture is book a sale date!

Most of the bulls again sold to commercial producers and it is great to see them willing to pay decent prices for bulls. The first son of HC Cruiser 67C ( that I posted on SP a few weeks ago) sold for $9000 to a commercial man. The Crooked Post Stockman son sold at $8000 to another commercial man. The lot 1 bull sold for $11,000 and a commercial man chased him to $10,000. He sold to a purebred herd in Alberta.  This bull could have helped a lot of herds as he was moderate framed with tremendous thickness and volume. He was born unassisted from a first calf heifer and had a BW of 85 lbs and he weighed 2230 lbs a few days before the sale and would not be 2 years old until April 24th. He had 41 cm testicles and moved like a cat. A leading Charolais breeder was at our sale, and he said if this bull had been white, he would have broke some records.
Beebe, the Saskvalley Pioneer 126P son from the cow you bought in our October sale, sold for $6500 to Saskvalley. He was a tank!  Our top open replacement heifer sold for $8500.
All things considered it was a good day!
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 07:26:01 AM by justintime »
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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2018, 09:22:55 AM »
Congrats JIT. There definitely was some good looking bulls in the sale. I would like to know how you felt about your stockman sired bull? Stockman is a bull that really intrigues me.

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2018, 09:50:04 AM »
It looked to me like a very good sale.  Several very interesting bulls that can help a lot of people.  Year after year I watch these Canadian sales average at least twice what similar bulls sales average in the states, even considering the exchange rate.  (announced for this sale at 20%)  5,200 would be about 4,200 in U.S. funds.  There won't be a lot of Shorthorn bull sales around here that average any where close to that in real money.  A good share of the Canadian bulls sell to commercial producers.  There were some very good bulls at the Iowa Beef Expo and many struggled to get a bid of $1,750.  1 bull sold well at the Minnesota State Sale and the rest were well under their value, in my opinion.  I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the Canadian commercial cattle producers, those who sell their calves as feeders, are more than willing to pay up for a good Shorthorn bull because they can get a competitive price for their calves.  These cattle end up in basically the same feedlots and grocery stores as our calves, yet colored cattle in the midwest usually don't bring what the black calves do.  Why is that?  Are the US cattle that much inferior to the Canadian cattle?  You couldn't convince me there's much difference unless you want to count what many of you would call the "show" genetics.  I doubt seriously if they make up a significant percentage of the US Shorthorn sired feeder calf market.   My congratulations to the Canadian Shorthorn breeders on what they do.  Please bottle some of it and send it south.

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2018, 10:11:36 AM »
I believe it is the marketing ploy known as Certified Angus Beef.  It has been quite a success.  I have sold quite a few black calves at a premium over my colored calves even though the black calves had no Angus in them.  You know they ended up as CAB.  It should be about the meat not the hair.  That is part of the reason I am now selling grass fed beef, it is all about the meat.

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2018, 03:28:48 PM »
I really liked the roan magnum son-- I had intentions of bidding on him till I was able to confirm the speculative claims I made as far as the way the pictures have been altered.   You see below how the resolution of the picture of HC double entry has been reduced to 96 dpi as well as the width and height being distorted via the amateur program,  photo shop. For those lacking a reference,  an iphone takes pictures in over 300dpi at over 4000 pixels.  Now I cant say for sure whether or not this was done with the picture of the magnum bull, but with similar photo backgrounds I suspect the same individual is responsible for presenting these photos. From the pics, it appears as if there's some very solid bulls in this offering, I guess I just can't help but wonder, if this is the case,  why is this level of alteration pursued?   I mean I know people will do nearly anything for a dollar but is the consensus that these practices are necessary in order to move bulls?
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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2018, 03:47:24 PM »
The picture is not very good, but I guarantee it is NOT touched in any way.
Is this where it would be reasonable to call you a liar?

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2018, 04:00:16 PM »
I wonder if any of the buyers and bidders might have seen the bulls with their own eyes?

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2018, 04:10:33 PM »
That bull looked like his picture at the sale in my opinion.
A pretty good bull.
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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2018, 05:07:34 PM »
I really liked the roan magnum son-- I had intentions of bidding on him till I was able to confirm the speculative claims I made as far as the way the pictures have been altered.   You see below how the resolution of the picture has been reduced to 96 dpi as well as the width and height being distorted via the amateur program,  photo shop.  For those lacking a reference,  an iphone takes pictures in over 300dpi at over 4000 pixels.    From the pics, it appears as if there's some very solid bulls in this offering, I guess I just can't help but wonder, if this is the case,  why is this level of alteration pursued?   I mean I know people will do nearly anything for a dollar but is the consensus that these practices are necessary in order to move bulls?

I have a feeling that nothing I say is going to satisfy xbar.  My photos were taken by a professional cattle photographer. The picture I posted here on SP was reduced in size by myself so that I could attach it to this thread. To my knowledge none of our pictures were photoshopped in any way, except some may have been cropped so that they fit in the sale catalog better. My wife did the sale catalog and she probably does a few dozen sale catalogs each year as well as several Angus and Shorthorn breed magazines. I am certain she did not do anything that is not done in any other publication. The Rocking L photos were taken by a well known Polled Hereford breeder, who also did the photos for several other Hereford and Simmental sales in this area,  and he sent the pictures on to my wife and she put them in the sale catalog as they came. The bulls were all videoed as well, and I think the bulls looked better on the video than they did in their pictures. I don't know what your problem is xbar, as I have never lied to you, nor have I ever intentionally mislead you in any way that I know of.
By the way, the commercial man who bought the $8000 Stockman son, has used 5 Major Leroy sons in the past and he told me that they were some of the best bulls he has ever used. The first one he bought is now 10 years old and he says he is sound in every way yet. This guy calves 400 cows on grass and he said he never had any calving issues with them. The bull he purchased this year, is the 23rd bull he has bought from me in the past 15 years.  I must have sent all the hard calving Leroy sons to Texas I guess.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 05:14:05 PM by justintime »
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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2018, 07:32:48 PM »
The bulls averaged $5220 and the open heifers averaged $3812. For the third year in a row, we had a blizzard hit and it raged for 3 days just prior to our sale. We were needing snow, but the timing was not great for our sale. We had a good crowd when you consider that many people could not attend as they could not get out of their yards. I could not believe the snow banks in my yard and pens when I got home. There will be many days of moving snow. I am beginning to think that all I need to do to get some moisture is book a sale date!

Most of the bulls again sold to commercial producers and it is great to see them willing to pay decent prices for bulls. The first son of HC Cruiser 67C ( that I posted on SP a few weeks ago) sold for $9000 to a commercial man. The Crooked Post Stockman son sold at $8000 to another commercial man. The lot 1 bull sold for $11,000 and a commercial man chased him to $10,000. He sold to a purebred herd in Alberta.  This bull could have helped a lot of herds as he was moderate framed with tremendous thickness and volume. He was born unassisted from a first calf heifer and had a BW of 85 lbs and he weighed 2230 lbs a few days before the sale and would not be 2 years old until April 24th. He had 41 cm testicles and moved like a cat. A leading Charolais breeder was at our sale, and he said if this bull had been white, he would have broke some records.
Beebe, the Saskvalley Pioneer 126P son from the cow you bought in our October sale, sold for $6500 to Saskvalley. He was a tank!  Our top open replacement heifer sold for $8500.
All things considered it was a good day!
Grant I will take that as a recommendation that Saskvalley bought a bull out of my Sparkle cow.  Her bull calf by Blue Jeans is off to a good start.

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2018, 08:06:13 PM »
I really liked the roan magnum son-- I had intentions of bidding on him till I was able to confirm the speculative claims I made as far as the way the pictures have been altered.   You see below how the resolution of the picture has been reduced to 96 dpi as well as the width and height being distorted via the amateur program,  photo shop.  For those lacking a reference,  an iphone takes pictures in over 300dpi at over 4000 pixels.    From the pics, it appears as if there's some very solid bulls in this offering, I guess I just can't help but wonder, if this is the case,  why is this level of alteration pursued?   I mean I know people will do nearly anything for a dollar but is the consensus that these practices are necessary in order to move bulls?

I have a feeling that nothing I say is going to satisfy xbar.  My photos were taken by a professional cattle photographer. The picture I posted here on SP was reduced in size by myself so that I could attach it to this thread. To my knowledge none of our pictures were photoshopped in any way, except some may have been cropped so that they fit in the sale catalog better. My wife did the sale catalog and she probably does a few dozen sale catalogs each year as well as several Angus and Shorthorn breed magazines. I am certain she did not do anything that is not done in any other publication. The Rocking L photos were taken by a well known Polled Hereford breeder, who also did the photos for several other Hereford and Simmental sales in this area,  and he sent the pictures on to my wife and she put them in the sale catalog as they came. The bulls were all videoed as well, and I think the bulls looked better on the video than they did in their pictures. I don't know what your problem is xbar, as I have never lied to you, nor have I ever intentionally mislead you in any way that I know of.
By the way, the commercial man who bought the $8000 Stockman son, has used 5 Major Leroy sons in the past and he told me that they were some of the best bulls he has ever used. The first one he bought is now 10 years old and he says he is sound in every way yet. This guy calves 400 cows on grass and he said he never had any calving issues with them. The bull he purchased this year, is the 23rd bull he has bought from me in the past 15 years.  I must have sent all the hard calving Leroy sons to Texas I guess.

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Re: Sun Country
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2018, 08:21:32 PM »
Xbar, maybe I missed it, but what did your bull sale average?

 

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