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  1. JoeBnTN

    Jake's Proud Jazz calves

    JiT, There are several different frame score charts adopted by various breeds each having some slight differences.  The Texas A&M chart is one that is something of a "median" for all of these and it lists a 4 frame mature bull at 54" tall as a 4 frame and a "56" bull as a 5 frame.  That sounds...
  2. JoeBnTN

    Something for everyone - "showers" and "growers"

    As many of you know several years ago I coached a successful college judging team and a meat animal elevation team.  For those who aren’t familiar with meat animal evaluation, it’s the prediction, based on live evaluation, of an animal’s carcass and economic merit - or as I used to tell my teams...
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    Leader 21 heifer

    Without getting into a cooking and processing lecture, let me answer these one at a time. Cooking meat by design eliminates moisture in the cooking process.  If a steak is too thick, the time it takes for the center of the cut to reach a desired degree of doneness, like medium, causes the...
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    Leader 21 heifer

    You obviously don't shop at the same retailers that I do or eat in the same restaurants.  Everywhere I go, the cuts are made to fit a predetermined portion size.  If the REA is too large then the steak is so thin it doesn't cook well, if its too small then the cut looks like a roast.  An 8 oz...
  5. JoeBnTN

    Leader 21 heifer

    AJ, Go to the link from M-Bar for me sent earlier today.  The bull in Troy's picture is a son of JR Legacy 23G - a bull we found and used heavily - before he went to Indiana and then Kansas.  I would argue that his kind will work anywhere.  While I don't like to put too much stock into small...
  6. JoeBnTN

    Leader 21 heifer

    AJ, Actually I think you are correct - it is harder to get a YG 2 to grade Choice, BUT Shorthorns will do it better than most - at least at common end points.  When I worked on the USDA grade system research we found that REGARDLESS of breed there is a negative coorelation between lower YG and...
  7. JoeBnTN

    What do you think?

    That's good news!  If I thought I could move him quickly I'd leave him a bull and let the new owner decide.  That way you can maximize your opportunity.  My only concern with leaving him a bull is that I ended up with him next spring and his color limited my selling options.  The only color I...
  8. JoeBnTN

    What do you think?

    Good looking calf - have you tested him yet.  If he's a carrier it would make my choice REAL easy.
  9. JoeBnTN

    For Joe Bn Tn

    Troy, Looks pretty good to me!  Who says that Shorthorns can't produce bulls that will work in the real world. Not to mention that he probably sires calves that come easy, have a lot of life and vigor when they are born, and grow out pretty well.  Thanks for sharing!!
  10. JoeBnTN

    Leader 21 heifer

    I have to agree with JiT on this one.  I've been fortunate that I have been able to see some of the "great" herds in their prime - places like Arcadia, Morlunda, Theiman's (the T in TPS), and Ashborne Farms all come to mind.  The cattle that were "Hot" and seen as the breed's elite were...
  11. JoeBnTN

    Wanted: 1800# cow

    Great idea!!  Except.... I'd keep all the sound structured daughters as they'd be some really good cows!!  I especailly like the Charolais cross - we used to have about 25 of those and they made lots of money in the feeder sales.
  12. JoeBnTN

    Wanted: 1800# cow

    JiT, Sometime we need to talk about my Master's thesis.  It was part of the old USDA grade system work and we were evaluating frame and type in steers as it related to final product and profitability.  What we found was that it was much easier to take a big one and make him profitable in a...
  13. JoeBnTN

    Do you know these judges?

    I've known Randy for more than 30 years - shown under him, sorted his cattle at shows and shared a few beers talking cattle - he's one of the best out there.  If you bring a good one, Randy will find it. Very practical in how he picks them.  They have to be sound and look like they have some...
  14. JoeBnTN

    For GB and Elbee (And anyone else who wants to offer an opinion)

    Next time I'm at Dad's I'll see what I can arrange.  We're just starting to get an idea of the growth curve for the Matador calves - and from what we see we like.  Good weaning performance that is carrying on toward yearling.  From the cattle in his background - I would expect him to stay...
  15. JoeBnTN

    A couple of new females I am thinking about purchasing (For Blue Roan Breeding)

    JiT, BTW, I really like the heifer calf!  What's she sired by?
  16. JoeBnTN

    A couple of new females I am thinking about purchasing (For Blue Roan Breeding)

    Just a reminder that to get a predictable blue roan the genetics have to be for a pure white Shorthorn (rr) and a pure Angus (BB).  If you look VERY closely at most white Shorthorns, they are not pure white - there's enough red hair that their  genetics would be presented as white roans (Rr). ...
  17. JoeBnTN

    A couple of new females I am thinking about purchasing (For Blue Roan Breeding)

    They died out because they aren't any good, not because of the color deal. Considering the genetic base you describe I can understand why you might have that perception, but the blue roans I'm talking about are true Angus X Shorthorn crosses.  Those kind of cattle have always thrived in lush...
  18. JoeBnTN

    A couple of new females I am thinking about purchasing (For Blue Roan Breeding)

    I'm like you - I love the blue roans.  In fact, I told Nick Hammett once that the ASA should go after that market before the Durham Red project started.  Lots of old cattlemen remember just how good their blue roan cows were.  That's a genetic goldmine for commercial producers, but everyone was...
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