2975-g-9 semen

[mark tenenbaum]

Got some of both-I was wondering how they would work on some of the really moderate clubby shorthorn females O0

 

[aj]

Cool...are they polled.....I can't remember. Are they in ampules or straws?

 

[Doc]

On 2975 , he will maybe add a little frame ( not much) , put a nice front end on them, the teats can get ugly if not careful. Of the 2 , G9 would be my choice. He's going to add a little more muscle than 2975, will keep the size about the same.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I believe G9 was a Lee Johnson bull?? But I can't place 2975 yet. Who is he?  I remember Lee saying all his semen tanks went dry at some point in the 80's. Next time I see him at the local diner for breakfast I will tell him about this! He loves G9 to this day.

 

[Doc]

I believe G9 was a Lee Johnson bull?? But I can't place 2975 yet. Who is he?  I remember Lee saying all his semen tanks went dry at some point in the 80's. Next time I see him at the local diner for breakfast I will tell him about this! He loves G9 to this day.

Mill Brook Ransom G9 2975 , horned son of G9.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Thanks Doc, looks like I got some good talks coming with Lee. Any pictures of either?

 

[GM]

If I had a scanner I could upload pictures of both...they were all over the Shorthorn Country magazines in the late 70's through mid 80's.  2975 was really popular in the early 80's...his most notable sone was probably Mill Brook Mark IV.  I remember Green Ridge using 2975 heavily, and I believe I remember Hoyt & Sons showing some 2975 offspring on the west coast.  One of the biggest boned, heaviest bull calves I've ever seen weaned off of straight nothing but grass and milk was a red, horned, 2975 son out of a Dividend cow.  However, I'm not sure they would have the hip and top to compete today (but on the right cow you never know).  I saw the G9 son Cujo in person and he was a specimen.  If someone has a picture of G9 other than the one that was used so often in Shorthorn Country ads I'd love to see it.

 

[justintime]

Both G9 and 2975 sired  some cattle that many would say are hard doing today, but then they were used on some harder doing dual purpose cows as well. IMO, G9 probably sired more useful cattle, but there was some 2975 offspring that I did like. I still own a syndicate interest in a son of 2975, mentioned before, that being Marc 1V. The daughters of both G9 and 2975 had some udder issues, especially in regards to teat size and shape. I saw many older daughters of both that had significant problems in this regard. Marc 1V did not seem to have as many issues as his sire and grandsire, but his dam was a very good uddered, moderate framed beef cow named Millbrook Nita 73 x who would be a very popular cow if she was alive today. She was a good one!! I still have Marc IV semen in my tanks, unfortunately it is hit or miss quality so I use it sparingly.

Both G9 and his son 2975 were Denver Champions. G9 was champion in 1976 and he sold to Sutherland Farms and Waukaru, privately at the show. He was used at Sutherland for many years and he is buried in front of the show barn at the old Sutherland Farms in KY complete with a marble tombstone.
2975 was Champion at the 1979 Denver show. Both G9 and 2975 were contraversial in their day, as it was suggested by many that they contained Maine blood. Since there was only blood typing at the time, and DNA analysis was not invented yet, it was impossible to prove the parentage one way or the other. I remember the head of the Blood typing lab at Ohio State University, telling me that there were 8 fullblood Maine bulls that blood typed as purebred Shorthorn. It was suspected that one of these sires may have been the sire of G9. I have my suspicions, but I have no proof, so I will leave this alone. In any regard, G9 was a changer, and he bred extremely well at Waukaru and at Sutherland. One of my favorite sons of G9 was Sutherland Ransom 179, who was a very complete bull. I used a son of Ransom 179 named Waukaru Cinnabar who was an exceptional breeding bull for us. He added muscle to every calf and his daughters produced some of our very best calves from a variety of sires.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I remember Lee saying that when those bulls were being shown, he got alot of grief for those bulls. When I pressed him to see what their breeding was, he smiled and said pure shorthorn of course! No different then Rodoe Drive in my opinion if he did use a Maine bull. It is in the past.  I can recall Lee tellin me that the heavy muscle on G9 made people think he was something else. Lee still has a small group of cows at his homeplace but he takes it easy these days. He lives on a beautiful farm 15 minutes from me.