A Cow & Pig Tax!!! I have heard it all now.......

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SWMO

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EPA Proposes "Cow Tax"
Nov 23, 2008 11:01 PM, Source: Florida Farm Bureau

EPA "Cow Tax" will greatly impact ranchers with strict regulations.

       
               
ISSUE:
The Environmental Protection Agency issued an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking seeking public comment on whether it is appropriate to regulate greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from automobiles under the Clean Air Act. In order to regulate automobile emissions, the EPA would first have to make a finding that all greenhouse gases endanger public health and safety and should be classified as a "pollutant."

Essentially, the EPA is ruling on whether or not GHG emissions should be classified as endangering public safety. If that finding is made, all GHGs including carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide would have to be regulated under the Clean Air Act.

The problem with this approach is that once an endangerment finding is made, other provisions of the Clean Air Act are automatically triggered, creating much broader, costly regulation of other sectors of the economy, including agriculture.

IMPACT:
Once an endangerment finding is made, Title V of the Clean Air Act requires that any entity with the potential to emit more than 100 tons per year of a regulated pollutant must obtain a permit in order to continue to operate.

For previously regulated pollutants, a threshold of 100 tons meant that only the largest of emitters were required to be permitted. For greenhouse gases, the situation is much different. Not only would power plants and factories, but also many office and apartment buildings, schools, hospitals, large churches and even large homes would be regulated. Literally hundreds of thousands of entities would be required to obtain permits.

The vast majority of livestock operations would easily meet the 100 ton threshold and fall under regulation. In fact, USDA has stated that any operation with more than 25 dairy cows, or 50 beef cattle would have to obtain permits. According to USDA statistics, this would cover about 99 percent of dairy production and over 90 percent of beef production in the United States.

As the proposal stands today, the permit fees would equate to a "tax" of $175 per dairy cow and $87.50 per beef cow.

Greenhouse gas regulation under the Clean Air Act would not only adversely impact livestock producers but all farmers. Crop production emits nitrous oxide from fertilizer and methane from rice production, and fields that emit 100 tons of carbon would also be subject to permitting requirements as well. Any Florida farm with 500 acres of corn, 250 acres of soybeans, 350 acres of potatoes or only 35 acres of rice would be forced to obtain Clean Air Act permits.

Emissions from farm machinery and energy used in production might also be added. Regulation of other economic sectors will result in increased fuel, fertilizer and energy costs for all farmers and ranchers.



 

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i wonder what a person would count as, and whether we should have a cap and trade mechanism for immigration.

is the best scenario zero people?  what about all the poor bacteria who depend on waste?  who is going to represent them?

can't we just have war now and get it over with?

this posturing is so.... boring and greenhouse gas emitting.

think of the contribution man could make if we just didn't have children.

it's probably more efficient to raise humans outside the womb, and then in chambers.

what is the purpose of human?

this craving for suicide must be encouraged and more focused.

my six year old daughter came home from school with the knowledge her teacher knew more than her mom and dad.  it's too bad that school has to start so young in turning one's kids against their parents.  most teachers are ignorant of what they are doing and why.  somebody knows.

they were taught that indians were native to the america's.  i seem to remember they came here from somewhere.  doesn't sound native to me.

and then, there's that troubling issue of kennewick man and where he went.

start early, start often, it's coming.

watched quantum of solace the other day with my wife.

gore is greene and just as spooky

gotta say the "pickup" line for strawberry fields was pretty lame.  "i can't seem to find the stationary, can you help me?" or something like that.

stunts were a little too disguised with camera angle, and too much action, but then i'm more of a fuddy duddy and enoyed lines like "of course your are."
 

KC

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Cow tax proposal would threaten agriculture viability   :-\
"With the economy in bad shape and the possibility of a deep recession looming, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is proposing to levy new taxes - on cows and pigs," American Farm Bureau Federation Director of Regulatory Relations Rick Krause told Wyoming Farm Bureau members Nov. 7 at their annual meeting in Sheridan. "This is no laughing matter," Krause said. "The cow tax and the pig tax are parts of a larger scheme by the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

"Under the proposal, if a state charged the 'presumptive minimum rate' from the EPA, the cow tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and a little more than $20 per pig," Krause explained.

Krause explained that the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) says that a producer with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would emit more than 100 tons of carbon and be subject to the permitting requirements. "These thresholds would impact 99% of dairy producers, more than 90% of beef producers and 95% of hog producers in the United States," Krause stated.

According to Krause, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in preparation to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act (CAA). "The regulation of automobile emissions automatically initiates other provisions of the CAA," Krause explained. "One of those provisions requires permits from anyone who emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year, and there are millions of sources that emit more than 100 tons of carbon." The Title V permits, which are essentially a cow and pig tax, are supposed to contain provisions designed to reduce or eliminate the emissions of the regulated pollutant. "Cows' and pigs' methane emissions come from natural and biological processes," Krause stated.

"The economic costs to producers from the cow and pig tax would be great and could cause the cost of beef, pork and dairy prices to rise," Krause continued. "The cow and pig tax would impose severe penalties on livestock producers in the United States without effectively reducing greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere." You can send comments to www.stopepa.com or to Air and Radiation Docket and Information Center, Environmental Protection Agency, Mailcode: 2822T, 1200 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20460; RE: Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318. The comment deadline for the cow and pig tax is Friday, Nov. 28, but EPA has said that the docket will remain open.

The Wyoming Farm Bureau urges cattlemen to write or call their representatives in Congress and/or senators to ask them to prevent the imposition of a cow tax and a pig tax that would occur by the regulation of greenhouse gases through the Clean Air Act. Endangered species In other national issues, Krause addressed endangered species issues, including the wolf.

"I remember back in 1993 we were talking about how they will continue to change the numbers of wolves required," Krause said. "Unfortunately, our assumption was accurate and even though there are five times more packs than needed for recovery, it has come down to a federal judge in Montana. "They are arguing there is no genetic exchange," he said. "Well, the whole reason in the first place they were introduced is because they could not get here on their own. How are you going to have genetic interchange?

"So what are we going to expect from the Endangered Species Act in the next four years?" Krause asked. "While only time will tell, we can expect no amendments to the ESA as those who are opposed to common sense management will work to keep it as is."

The Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation is the state's largest general agriculture organization. Members work together from the grassroots to develop agricultural policy, programs and services to enhance the rural lifestyle of Wyoming. - Release adapted from Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation.

 

knabe

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what about a people tax?

what is the end game envisioned by these people?

logan's run

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run

Society

Most dystopias impose severe social restrictions on the characters' lives.

This can take the form of social stratification, where social class is strictly defined and enforced, and social mobility is non-existent (see caste system). For example, the novel Brave New World's class system is prenatally designated in terms of Alphas, Betas, Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons, and in We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, people are permitted to live out of public view for only an hour a day. They are not only referred to by numbers instead of names, but are neither "citizens" nor "people", but "ciphers." In the lower castes, in Brave New World, single embryos are "bokanovskified", so that they produce between eight and ninety-six identical siblings, making the citizens as uniform as possible.[8]

Some dystopian works emphasize the pressure to conform in terms of the requirement to not excel. In these works, the society is ruthlessly egalitarian, in which ability and accomplishment, or even competence, are suppressed or stigmatized as forms of inequality,
as in Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. Similarly, in Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, the dystopia represses the intellectuals with particular force, because most people are willing to accept it, and the resistance to it consists mostly of intellectuals.[9] Moreover in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, the protagonist Dagny Taggart struggles to keep Taggart Transcontinental thriving in a world that spurns innovation and excellence. All of Dagny's opponents cite "equality of opportunity" and the "public good" as their justifications for opposing free market capitalism and competition.

[edit] Social Groups

In a typical dystopia, there is a total absence of any social group besides the state, as in We, or such social groups being subdivisions of the state, under government control, for example, the Junior Anti-Sex League in 1984.

Among social groups, independent religions are notable by their absence. In Brave New World, the establishment of the state included lopping off the tops of all crosses (as symbols of Christianity) to make them "T"s, (as symbols of Henry Ford's Model T).[10] The state may stage, instead, a personality cult, with quasi-religious rituals about a central figure, usually a head of state or an oligarchy of some sort, such as Big Brother in 1984, or The Benefactor of We. In explicitly theocratic dystopias, such as Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale, the religion is the state, and is enforced with the same vigor as any secular dystopia's rule; it does not provide social bonds outside the state.

Even more than religion, family is attacked by dystopian societies. In some societies, it has been completely eradicated, but clearly at great effort, and continuing efforts are deployed to keep it down, as in Brave New World, where children are reproduced artificially, where the concept of a "mother" or "father" is obscene. In others, the institution of the family exists but great efforts are deployed to keep it in service of the state, as in 1984, where children are organized to spy on their parents. In We, the escape of a pregnant woman from the United States is a revolt; the hostility of the state to motherhood is a particularly common trait.[11]

any of this sound familiar?  sounds like the progressive playbook to me.
 

Show Heifer

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You all had better get OFF OF STEER PLANET, and get on to the EPA and COMPLAIN to THEM. As much as we would like to think differently, the people on SP our powerless when it comes to changing/making rules and regulations, UNLESS WE MAKE OUR VOICE HEARD TO THOSE THAT CAN INFLUENCE THE LAW MAKERS.

So that is your assignment. Kinda like voting....if you do not take action, no complaining allowed.
 

ploughshare

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Show Heifer said:
You all had better get OFF OF STEER PLANET, and get on to the EPA and COMPLAIN to THEM.

Here is one method of contacting the EPA

www.stopepa.com

 
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