We need to buy some semen from a very helpful ABS rep. What Simmy bull would you all recommend from their line up ? Macho, Ever Ready, Goldmine, Ollie, Superior, Ranch Hand, or any other ABS Simmy. Our cows are commercial Angus, and we want some Simmy females that have the potential to raise a good steer. All thoughts appreciated.
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coachmac
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Had a meeting with an ABS rep not too long ago and he said Macho is doing some great things with angus cows and that a new up and coming bull, although 3/4, is Sheriff Taylor.
herefordfootball
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Ranch Hand is my favorite!!!
farmermom
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We were looking for some Simmy bull from ABS too. We wanted to support are local rep, but ABS is a little weak on Simmy bulls for what we wanted. We were looking for bull for femals not club calves. We went with Explorer, Trademark, and Remmington Red Label for Genex.
I'll have to disagree with you a little bit on that. Dream On, Macho, and Ranch Hand have had some really nice females. I haven't seen any Sheriff Taylor calves yet but you breed him to a PB cow and you can still have 15/16 calves that can be run as PBs. He does look a little clubby in his pictures, but what young fitted bull doesn't.
farmermom
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I have alot of dream on daughters already. I'm not a fan of macho. However I have to say I haven't used ranch hand. I was worried about his females striding he looks pretty straight to me.
Bulldaddy
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My favorite ABS simmental bull is Luckyman. Both heifers and bull calves are good. Excellent EPDS. Also, have used Ranchhand--very small at birth yet fancy and sound; Olie--lots of heifers bred to him to calve in the fall. I have had good luck with Macho but have heard the females don't milk. Will see this fall when my first ones calve. Of course, Goldmine is an old standby--perfect for heifers and the females are super. All of my Sheriff Taylors were bull and I sound them as steers--just okay, maybe the way I matched them up.
We have used Macho and Sheriff Taylor on our Angus cross cows. Both have worked really well for us, Macho has worked best for us on moderate framed Angus cows. Our oldest Macho cows are turning 5 this year all have good udders and plenty of milk. but the Sheriff Taylor calves may have a little more style if your looking to make clubby mommas.
farmermom
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I personally think that some of the macho calves are to high flanked, and the ranch hand calves don't have enough depth. Anyone seeing the same thing. It might just be the match up I'm seeing.
OH Breeder
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farmermom said:
really like Macho. Cavled easy for us. Attached is first calf heifer that is milking GREAT! She has the nicest udder. Her momma was a WMW/Angus. She showed in the foundation Simmi classes and did alright. Calved unassisted to Northern Improvement a 71# er. Going to breed back to Hairy Bear.
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as for the depth of body w/ ranchhand, he tighten alot of nice soggy and deep cows up but then gave the calves some time.....ranchhands take quite a while to look good, the bulls take about a full year and then you can stand to look at them, the heifers start lookign good at about 9-10 months, the ranchhands in our herd are the third best calves behind the dream ons ( and DO sons) and the Magnitude (PB AN) X simmy crossed heifers we have.
if the rib shape and body depth is in the cow, gives the ranch hands time and they will fill out.
JWW
if the rib shape and body depth is in the cow, gives the ranch hands time and they will fill out.
JWW
redwingfarm
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A friend of ours is showing a Ranchhand, she is very functionally correct and very growthy for her age, could stand to be a little deeper however, as to Macho the last 2 years in fall sales the best bred heifers (several) that we saw were macho 1/2 bloods. If we had more angus based cattle we would be using alot of him.
Club King is not an ABS bull, and I really can't say from the picture that I like his front end. As for being later maturing, I am not sure I see that as a real problem. Ali's are what I consider later maturing, and from what I have seen they develop well. If it takes as much as a year, that is not a problem, as few are slaughter ready at a year or less anyway. I still have not ordered the semen, but it may be Ranch Hand. Thanks for all of the input. It helps.
OH Breeder
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Bawndoh said:
Let me be realy honest. How many udders have you seen? For a first calf heifer that is an excellent udder. Small teats and tight bag firm. I have three generations of these females the oldest being over 12 and they all have nice tight udders and do not sag. Show me what you think an ideal udder is. So how do you figure its a structural mess. I take offense to your post. If you are going to criticize something then at least back it up with some sort of logic.
Bulldaddy
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Wow. I agree with Ohio breeder. That is a pretty neat bag for a first calf heifer considering her stage of lactation. Seems well attached and tits are small enough. I hope my machos look that good when they calve.
For what it's worth, the Macho hfrs are quite nice uddered. They tend to have very nice size teats and have very good placement. Iin addition, they are well attatched. He really stamps them for udder quality. They have been making very good, easy -keeping cows for us.
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Let me be realy honest. How many udders have you seen? For a first calf heifer that is an excellent udder. Small teats and tight bag firm. I have three generations of these females the oldest being over 12 and they all have nice tight udders and do not sag. Show me what you think an ideal udder is. So how do you figure its a structural mess. I take offense to your post. If you are going to criticize something then at least back it up with some sort of logic.
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Well, I haven't kept count. Didn't really think I ever needed to. I would easily say I have seen tens of thousands though.
I have attached a picture of Gus's dam. I actually think this is a near perfect udder. Flawless for udder attachment. Perfect teat size, level made, and has even quarters. Same with the RA cow pictured. I spent a lot of time in judging circuits, both in 4-H as a youngster, and while in College. I've won a few dairy championships in my day too. That cows udder is unlevel, and the front is higher and wider than the rear, she has a weak suspensory ligament, the teats are already pointing outwards, instead of straight down or inwards. There is poor fore attachment, and it it appears each quarter is already quite distinct, making the teats almost triangular shaped.
But you are right about it tight, and firm, and that is pretty much all that matters these days
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Well, I haven't kept count. Didn't really think I ever needed to. I would easily say I have seen tens of thousands though.
I have attached a picture of Gus's dam. I actually think this is a near perfect udder. Flawless for udder attachment. Perfect teat size, level made, and has even quarters. Same with the RA cow pictured. I spent a lot of time in judging circuits, both in 4-H as a youngster, and while in College. I've won a few dairy championships in my day too. That cows udder is unlevel, and the front is higher and wider than the rear, she has a weak suspensory ligament, the teats are already pointing outwards, instead of straight down or inwards. There is poor fore attachment, and it it appears each quarter is already quite distinct, making the teats almost triangular shaped.
But you are right about it tight, and firm, and that is pretty much all that matters these days
