and what do you think about this...part 2

[DL]

I stole this from Jill in a post somewhere else 

"This (IMO) is a family that has industry wide respect, and has always set the standard for class acts"

and so my question is - what do you believe that people do to get industry wide respect? to set the standard for call acts? to have a good reputation? how do they get that? how do they behave? what do they have to do? What kind of things would make them lose their respect?

 

[Show Heifer]

I can sum this up pretty easy for me:
A breeder can stand behind their cattle and their word. Be honest and forthcoming.
They can be a decent human being. Care about the youth programs without having their bottem line in mind.
They can help someone who needs help. At a show, at a sale, at a grocery store, along the road.

They can lose my respect if they are not honest, are not forthcoming, and omit information.
They can lose my respect if they care about their bottem line before they care about their fellow cattleman.
They can be self-absorbed and not help or volunteer at shows, sales, etc.

 

[common sense]

Show heifer (sorry my mistake,was reading the "stole from Jill") you have summed this up very very well!  I would simply add that I have respect for: people who don't hurt other people to try and gain popularity.  People who regard others as equals and don't regard those of other professions as lesser human beings. I have little respect for people who focus their time on trying to damage the reputation of others rather than trying to improve their own reputation.  I lose respect immediately for people who cause serious injury or would plot to cause serious injury to any animal. 

 

[AAOK]

Jesus said what he would do.  He did what he said he was going to do.  2000+ years later, he is still respected.  Merry Christmas!!

In HIS grip,
Dan

 

[doubled]

Jill, you have summed this up very very well!  I would simply add that I have respect for: people who don't hurt other people to try and gain popularity.  People who regard others as equals and don't regard those of other professions as lesser human beings. I have little respect for people who focus their time on trying to damage the reputation of others rather than trying to improve their own reputation.  I lose respect immediately for people who cause serious injury or would plot to cause serious injury to any animal. 

As a mother of a person that is selling show cattle I totally agree- but how come so many dumb people continue to go to those steer jocks that are less than honest and pay twice as much
just to have one of their calves- why dont people learn and give some of us honest people a break to prove ourselves that are just trying to make an honest living in the business, we are
finding out its a very fickle business- people stab you in the back constantly say one thing and then do another-I know this is a touchy subject so Im just venting a bit- sorry- it is frustrating
to us :-\

 

[common sense]

I agree that it is frustrating sometimes to have a steer "trader" buy a calf and sell it again for LOTS more money.  However, I also understand that for the most part they are offering a different service to their buyers.  Those "jocks" spend a lot of time after the sale following those calves to shows.  The people who are buying them from the jocks are buying their services to help them get the calf shown.  I have had both good and bad experiences with the "traders" but for the most part I can rely on them to come buy my best calves every fall, write me a check and stay in contact with me. If they work hard to get that calf to the winner circle it helps my program as well.  In many cases the owners of a winning calf will find their way back to the breeder.  Yes, there are some very bad apples but I think you find them in every fruit basket. It's not different than those final owners buying from some dishonest producer that won't stand behind their cattle.  It's all about reputation and honesty.  In the long run the crooks come and go in this business but the truly honest people seem to have more staying power.  It just takes us longer to prove ourselves it seems.  Those that are gullible tend to follow like sheep after the people that tell them lies and spin tales of what they think they want to hear.

This is DEFINITELY a tough business.  One thing is for sure, back-stabbing dishonest people are not unique to this profession. They are EVERYWHERE.  You can't survive in this world without getting a tougher skin but like my father said once, "It's o.k. to cry, just don't ever let them see you do it!" Trust me, you just have to keep doing what is right, being right by people and the good folks will find you.  They are out there.

As a mother of a person that is selling show cattle I totally agree- but how come so many dumb people continue to go to those steer jocks that are less than honest and pay twice as much
just to have one of their calves- why dont people learn and give some of us honest people a break to prove ourselves that are just trying to make an honest living in the business, we are
finding out its a very fickle business- people stab you in the back constantly say one thing and then do another-I know this is a touchy subject so Im just venting a bit- sorry- it is frustrating
to us :-\
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[doubled]

I agree that it is frustrating sometimes to have a steer "trader" buy a calf and sell it again for LOTS more money.  However, I also understand that for the most part they are offering a different service to their buyers.  Those "jocks" spend a lot of time after the sale following those calves to shows.  The people who are buying them from the jocks are buying their services to help them get the calf shown.  I have had both good and bad experiences with the "traders" but for the most part I can rely on them to come buy my best calves every fall, write me a check and stay in contact with me. If they work hard to get that calf to the winner circle it helps my program as well.  In many cases the owners of a winning calf will find their way back to the breeder.  Yes, there are some very bad apples but I think you find them in every fruit basket. It's not different than those final owners buying from some dishonest producer that won't stand behind their cattle.  It's all about reputation and honesty.  In the long run the crooks come and go in this business but the truly honest people seem to have more staying power.  It just takes us longer to prove ourselves it seems.  Those that are gullible tend to follow like sheep after the people that tell them lies and spin tales of what they think they want to hear.

This is DEFINITELY a tough business.  One thing is for sure, back-stabbing dishonest people are not unique to this profession. They are EVERYWHERE.  You can't survive in this world without getting a tougher skin but like my father said once, "It's o.k. to cry, just don't ever let them see you do it!" Trust me, you just have to keep doing what is right, being right by people and the good folks will find you.  They are out there.

As a mother of a person that is selling show cattle I totally agree- but how come so many dumb people continue to go to those steer jocks that are less than honest and pay twice as much
just to have one of their calves- why dont people learn and give some of us honest people a break to prove ourselves that are just trying to make an honest living in the business, we are
finding out its a very fickle business- people stab you in the back constantly say one thing and then do another-I know this is a touchy subject so Im just venting a bit- sorry- it is frustrating
to us :-\

[/quote]Well I wasnt crying but I was complaining, maybe some of us offer the same kinds of things too- was just comenting on the situation as I see it

 

[DL]

justamom - that's how I read it - your comments on how you see it ;D

 

[shorthorns r us]

I agree that it is frustrating sometimes to have a steer "trader" buy a calf and sell it again for LOTS more money.  However, I also understand that for the most part they are offering a different service to their buyers.  Those "jocks" spend a lot of time after the sale following those calves to shows.  The people who are buying them from the jocks are buying their services to help them get the calf shown.  I have had both good and bad experiences with the "traders" but for the most part I can rely on them to come buy my best calves every fall, write me a check and stay in contact with me. If they work hard to get that calf to the winner circle it helps my program as well.  In many cases the owners of a winning calf will find their way back to the breeder.  Yes, there are some very bad apples but I think you find them in every fruit basket. It's not different than those final owners buying from some dishonest producer that won't stand behind their cattle.  It's all about reputation and honesty.  In the long run the crooks come and go in this business but the truly honest people seem to have more staying power.  It just takes us longer to prove ourselves it seems.  Those that are gullible tend to follow like sheep after the people that tell them lies and spin tales of what they think they want to hear.

This is DEFINITELY a tough business.  One thing is for sure, back-stabbing dishonest people are not unique to this profession. They are EVERYWHERE.  You can't survive in this world without getting a tougher skin but like my father said once, "It's o.k. to cry, just don't ever let them see you do it!" Trust me, you just have to keep doing what is right, being right by people and the good folks will find you.  They are out there.

As a mother of a person that is selling show cattle I totally agree- but how come so many dumb people continue to go to those steer jocks that are less than honest and pay twice as much
just to have one of their calves- why dont people learn and give some of us honest people a break to prove ourselves that are just trying to make an honest living in the business, we are
finding out its a very fickle business- people stab you in the back constantly say one thing and then do another-I know this is a touchy subject so Im just venting a bit- sorry- it is frustrating
to us :-\

Well I wasnt crying but I was complaining, maybe some of us offer the same kinds of things too- was just comenting on the situation as I see it
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many of the traders that i know got their big break by getting the right kid on the halter of one of their calves no matter what the loss on that particular calf.

 

[doubled]

Thanks, that is a thoght for us, we may have to do that 

 

[knabe]

allow expectations to be exceeded earns the repuation
understanding capitalism without preaching about it like i do.  i guess i would say from my perspective i hope to make this transition.
culling.
crossing the line of your stated morals ruins it, though pretty much impossible since morals are circular.