Angus bull to add bone and depth

[clubcalve]

I have a Lau Decade heifer that Is really good but she needs depth and a lot of bone added to her what angus bulls would you suggest to use on her 

 

[the angus111]

cc,i always think occ or duffs genetics will do the trick.the problem imo is there is future direction in the mix and  in my experience they tend to be a little short .i guess if you choose a sire you keep that in mind or you might get a good lowliner.rusty

 

[GoWyo]

SydGen CC&7, Gambles Hot Rod, SAV Pioneer, BC Lookout, are a few that come to mind.  Not too sure about who is a "big boned" Angus -- the rib and depth should be easier to accomplish.

 

[Show Dad]

Angus are known for their fleshing not their bone. If the reason you are looking to add bone is because someone said your heifer was "fine boned" I would wonder what they were comparing it to?  If you want to eventually cross her to add bone you might look at a Simangus or Limflex bull for her second or third calf. (Just remember that bone is the second least marketable part of cattle).

I would watch out on the Gambles Hot Rod, they can be "spirited" when it comes to disposition. Especially if your heifer is that way. If you don't care what frame size you end up with then a Duff or Ohlde bull can help. Depth I would go with Connealy Packer. A good all around heifer bull is Northern Improvement. Many Planeteers have used him. He can add a lot to a heifer to make a great calf. For example where would the Express Ranch program be with out him?

JMHO
SD
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[cowboybecoachin]

Northern Improvement is a great heifer bull. Easy calving but stout, better boned than most heifer bulls, and good fronted. Had a reserve division champ out of him at Ft. Worth in '08.

 

[afhm]

I know I sound like a broken record but use one of the Duff, Ohlde, or Griswold bulls.  They should do what you are looking for.

 

[GoWyo]

Might also look at some that Lees Cattle Company have - one that comes to mind is OCC Next Step and there are several others.  Obviously Ohlde and Duff in their herd.

 

[worthabit]

I would suggest looking north. The Canadian cattle tend to be a bit larger and heavier boned. Check out the recent champions at the World Angus forum at angusresults.com

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Get with the program,you so-called Angus fanatics!! Beb Juneau which is a N.I. son,out of a great Fullback cow,throws more bone than any Reg. Angus that is offered,except for maybe Ramblin Fever.

 

[Cattledog]

Get with the program,you so-called Angus fanatics!! Beb Juneau which is a N.I. son,out of a great Fullback cow,throws more bone than any Reg. Angus that is offered,except for maybe Ramblin Fever.

Not sure about the depth on those.  I've seen some ramblin fever calves and they were pretty hard appearing.  Thought the same about Beb Juneau calves. 

Adding volume and bone is generally hard to do in one breeding.  Most real thick cattle and big boned cattle, with my experience, tend to be harder appearing.  If only El Capitan had been clean.  I think he could have helped out the angus breed in a huge way! 

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

If you seen Ramblin Fever calves that had no depth,who had them? NO bull w2ill throw depth and bone unless you have cows that have depth and bone. I'm not a registered Angus breeder,but I have some registered Angus cows that have produced champion steers and heifers and most of the calves have come from Juneau and Ramblin Fever. You must be talking about a different Ramblin Fever than I am or the calves were out of some poor quality cows. Mine all have bone and depth from both bulls.

 

[ploughshare]

Since you will need a AMF calving ease bull, I am not sure there is a bull to cover all of the bases.  I would look hard at MCC Cupid  myself.

http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1AN1156&lang=EN

The OCC or Duff bulls would work and I second the SAV Pioneer suggestion although the SAV cattle tend to need a bigger feed bucket because they milk so well.

http://www.schaffangusvalley.com/herdsires/7301.html. 

You might also consider CJ Prestige.

What ever you decide do your heifer and yourself a favor and choose a easy calving bull (BW epd < 2.5 and an actual birth weight of < 85 lbs.).

 

[Cattledog]

If you seen Ramblin Fever calves that had no depth,who had them? NO bull w2ill throw depth and bone unless you have cows that have depth and bone. I'm not a registered Angus breeder,but I have some registered Angus cows that have produced champion steers and heifers and most of the calves have come from Juneau and Ramblin Fever. You must be talking about a different Ramblin Fever than I am or the calves were out of some poor quality cows. Mine all have bone and depth from both bulls.

Well...I've produced some champion heifers myself and I'm just relaying what I saw.  I agree that the cow has to have some volume and bone.  That is what clubcalve does not have in his heifer.  In my post I stated that it would be hard to get both of those two qualities in one breeding.  If your cows have plenty of volume then the calves should as well.  Heck, I breed hard looking bulls to my cows because they have a ton of guts and most of the time I get away with it.  These bulls have their place but I just don't think that they are the silver bullet.  No bull is.  If you know of one let me know and I'll use him on everything.  It would make my breeding decisions alot easier.

 

[Squeek]

I'm not agreeing with either one of you because I haven't seen enough Ramblin Fever calves to form much of an opinion (the videos look good) but if there is one thing Northern Improvement didn't always do, especially for an Angus bull, it was add depth of body.

 

[the angus111]

I THINK THE BEST ANGUS SIRE, WOULD BE A CALVING EASE SIRE LIKE ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS POSTERS MENTIONED.ALSO STAY AWAY FROM PRECISION GENETICS.I MO DONT TRY ONE OF THOSE UNPROVEN SIRES,GET ONE WITH ACCURACIES AND NOT INTERIM #S.GET YOU A LIVE CALF THIS GO AROUND AND HAVE AT THOSE SIRES OF THE MOMENT LATER. NORTHERN IMPROVEMENT IS A GOOD CHOICE.SOME OF HIS CALVES HAVE DISPOSITION ISSUES.RUSTY

 

[Cattledog]

I'm not agreeing with either one of you because I haven't seen enough Ramblin Fever calves to form much of an opinion (the videos look good) but if there is one thing Northern Improvement didn't always do, especially for an Angus bull, it was add depth of body.

The video of Ramblin fever was pretty cool.  That bull can move out!  For the thickness and length of body that he exhibits he did so tremendously.  Again...I don't have a problem with either of the bulls, I would just make sure that I bred them to a cow that has some volume.  That's my opinion so take if for what it's worth.  Heck, sometimes you can breed a great bull to a great cow and get a dud!

 

[Freddy]

How did NI  get in the running for adding middle an bone, his sire  365  might, Freedom has definitely done it an I  think DUFFS NEW EDITION,  for what it's worth , thats how they worked for me..............

 

[CJC]

What about JSAR Rodman. He's on the cover http://theshowboxmagazineonline.com/flashmagazine.php?catid=10

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Northern Improvement is just as advertised'calving ease" Not much else.He sure never added any bone or muscle to anything. Most of the so called great show heifers he produced the last 7 or 8 years were overated. For the "numbers" people they are probably good though. For real cowmen that I have dealt with in the western states he is not very popular.But, as I said his heifers won a lot of shows mostly by the judges and breeders that have ruined the breed.[Believe this statement as it was quoted to me by alot of Angus breeders that believe the umbrella will come crashing down one day soon.

 

[Show Dad]

Boy there are a lot poo pooing NI as an calf improver bull. My experience with him has been different. Yes he doesn't add a lot of depth or bone but he does some. He just won't be the one to do it in one generation. He will clean up the lines and blend the parts. Corrects leg and hooves. And I have never had a disposition problem with one of his calves.

Here is a good piece of advice (it's worth what you pay for it). Do try to "fix" problems in one generation (first calf) when you're breeding a heifer. You most likely will be headed for a train wreck if you try to push the envelope to far. That is why I recommended NI as a good heifer bull.

JMHO
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