Angus Outcross bull

[doc-sun]

sharing this out cross Angus calf born April 15, 2011 sired by Dunlouise Cattle Baron.... dam by Ramblim Fever...  breeding shares would be avaialable...

In my opinion this bull is typical of the type of cattle that Dunlouise Cattle Baron breeds. They look great and fancy as calves but they never seem to go on. In short they are just small dumpy cattle with little or no performance. I would also like to see some spring of rib - which also seems to be absent. If you are breeding for this type you might as well go the whole hog and just breed Lowlines.  This bull's pedigree also appears to be a mash-up of non-complementary bloodlines  Dunlouise Cattle Baron x Jacee's Ramblin Fever 303R. What would be the thinking behind this mating? Of course all of the aforementioned is just in my opinion. As one other poster pointed out the Dunlouise native bred cattle were heralded as "the next big thing" and were widely used for a very short time.Very few went back and used them again.

I have a commodore of wye bull calf born this spring out of a new frontier cow that goes back to ext's mother on the bottom.  He gives up no size or frame, although i expected it, to my other calves by current ai sires.  What in the sh**thorn world is the basis for your statement?

 

Hi Doc-Sun. Im sorry but I don't know which part you want me to qualify. What part do you want me to go in to more detail on?

Your experience  with angus cattle to back up your opinion which is contradictory to mine.  Your handle doesn't indicate any angus experience.

 

[irishshorthorns]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

 

[doc-sun]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

[kfacres]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

If you know so much about Ramblin Fever-- why don't you include me in those thoughts-- he's a bull that I have been considering using on some Shorthorn or Angus cows...

 

[knabe]

If you know so much about Ramblin Fever-- why don't you include me in those thoughts-- he's a bull that I have been considering using on some Shorthorn or Angus cows...

I considered using him too.  I'm an expert too. 

 

[coyote]

Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland

irishshorthorns, I would like to see a picture of the bull, if you have time (maybe start a new thread).
Thanks

 

[irishshorthorns]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

 

[scotland]

here is some info on the Luddenmore bull,
Identifier: IE2419041 20041 
Sex: Male 
Birth Date: 03/09/2009 
Registration Status: Registered 
Got by E.T. : Yes 
Breeder: DR MICHAEL & MARTIN SHEAHAN 
Current Owner: BALLATHIE ESTATE 
      S A R SUPERCHARGER 8418 #11616257(US)
    HOFF CHARGER S C 242 #12421579(US)
      HOFF MISS FLYER S C E01 #11775885(US)
  Sire: HOFF LIMITED EDITION SC 594 (SS) (IMP) #13119152(US)28
      HOFF TRAIL BOSS S C 929 (SS) (IMP) #11983670(US)32
    HOFF BOSS LADY S C 3V9 #12431774(US)
      HOFF STARLETTE SC 441 #12298232(US)
Animal: LUDDENMORE MR EDITION J041 #IE2419041 20041
      DMM MAKIN' WAVES 82K #1071336(CA)
    DMM MAKIN' WAVES 43M (AI) (IMP) #1122391(CA)33
      DMM MISS ESSENCE 22K (ET) (IMP) #1031444(CA)30
  Dam: DMM MISS ESSENCE 21R (ET) (IMP) #1287260(CA)32
      ANGUS ACRES BANDY 96X #667274(CA)
    DMM MISS ESSENCE 90K (ET) (IMP) #1073582(CA)32
      JRM MISS ESSENCE 8U #626642(CA)

 

[scotland]

Membership Name:  BALLATHIE ESTATE 
Herd Prefix:  BALLATHIE 
Membership No.:  4370 
Dept. Herd Mark:  UK543150 
Membership Type:  Annual 
Year Joined:  1999 
Address:  KINCLAVEN 
  STANLEY 
  PERTH 
Postcode:  PH1 4QN [map] 
Region:  Central Scotland 
Telephone:  A/H:01250 876219
Fax:01250 883423
Mob:JIM WOODWARD 07545787311 
Email:  [email protected] 

 

[OH Breeder]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

 

[kfacres]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

does it matter? 
Maybe it was under a different membership name? 
Maybe they were not members- most people do not see much advantage in being members. 

 

[scotland]

a head shot of the calf, tells u whats comming behind.... breedy, and full of character!

 

[OH Breeder]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

does it matter? 
Maybe it was under a different membership name? 
Maybe they were not members- most people do not see much advantage in being members. 

Why does it matter?NOte what "HE" said...."Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock". Well, I did what he said, I googled "his" stock.  If you re-read his post about how much "HE" has done, its interesting his name does not appear on any of the animals he professes many times of "breeding".  A year or so ago he was telling us that if shorthorns weren't frame score 8 they weren't worth anything.
It all sounds like BS...................... not pun intended.

 

[kfacres]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

does it matter? 
Maybe it was under a different membership name? 
Maybe they were not members- most people do not see much advantage in being members. 

Why does it matter?NOte what "HE" said...."Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock". Well, I did what he said, I googled "his" stock.  If you re-read his post about how much "HE" has done, its interesting his name does not appear on any of the animals he professes many times of "breeding".  A year or so ago he was telling us that if shorthorns weren't frame score 8 they weren't worth anything.
It all sounds like BS...................... not pun intended.

different parts of the world- different people have different ideals?  Did you read my findings of the frame score to rate of gain, feed efficiency, and consumer demand-- according to that-- the bigger the frame score- the more ideal the animal-- especially in a self feeding ration.  In the USA, matter of fact, we are the only people who promote a small 'fleshy' product- no where else in the world likes the dinky cattle that we prefer.  I find that interesting- especially since we export all of our 'good' beef- and import the 'average' crap from S America. 

Although I might agree with you on calling him out- I'm sure he has a logistical reason for stating his opinion, and has an even better reason behind why he said it.  Who am i to question it, although it is my nature.  I don't see where this bull was produced or bred by them, it appears as if he was an embroyo or something- as it looked like the dam was a Candian cow-- but maybe C stood for something else. 

 

[OH Breeder]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

does it matter? 
Maybe it was under a different membership name? 
Maybe they were not members- most people do not see much advantage in being members. 

Why does it matter?NOte what "HE" said...."Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock". Well, I did what he said, I googled "his" stock.  If you re-read his post about how much "HE" has done, its interesting his name does not appear on any of the animals he professes many times of "breeding".  A year or so ago he was telling us that if shorthorns weren't frame score 8 they weren't worth anything.
It all sounds like BS...................... not pun intended.

different parts of the world- different people have different ideals?  Did you read my findings of the frame score to rate of gain, feed efficiency, and consumer demand-- according to that-- the bigger the frame score- the more ideal the animal-- especially in a self feeding ration.  In the USA, matter of fact, we are the only people who promote a small 'fleshy' product- no where else in the world likes the dinky cattle that we prefer.  I find that interesting- especially since we export all of our 'good' beef- and import the 'average' crap from S America. 

Although I might agree with you on calling him out- I'm sure he has a logistical reason for stating his opinion, and has an even better reason behind why he said it.  Who am i to question it, although it is my nature.  I don't see where this bull was produced or bred by them, it appears as if he was an embroyo or something- as it looked like the dam was a Candian cow-- but maybe C stood for something else. 

Seriously?

 

[irishshorthorns]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 

Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

 

Thanks to Rolly for putting up the extended pedigree. My name is Jude Benson. Our prefixes on farm are Rathmullen and Gavan. The Rathmullen prefix was started in 1945. All of the current embryo calves are Luddenmore prefixed and registered by my partners the Sheahans. If you would like Mike or Martins phone number you can message me. Alternatively you can contact Lee or Dawn at DMM. What prefixes do you register your calves under Doc-Sun?

 

[kfacres]

ouch.. wish there was a smiley for slap in the face...

 

[irishshorthorns]

We've been breeding Angus cattle here since 1945. Our successes include many prize-winners and bulls sold to stud. My latest success was breeding the Male Champion and Reserve Supreme Champion at the Royal Highland Show , Scotland just gone. Your successes and experience would be?

I would guess a state in the usa would be bigger than your area so my successes in less than 10 yrs breeding angus  would be similar to yours.  i probably know more about ramblin fever than you and you more about the dunlouise cattle than i.  i will pm you a website.

 




Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock. Below are two pics of Mr Edition. The first is of him as a yearling before he left, and the second is of him at the Highland. We have a full brother born this year who looks even better, and a paternal brother who is probably the best calf to-date.

http://irishaberdeenangus.com/html/michael_sheahan.html


So you are Mike or Martin?

1999? I am not the sharpest crayon in the box but it 1945.....1999? When you say "WE" I am assuming you mean your family not just you?

does it matter?  
Maybe it was under a different membership name?  
Maybe they were not members- most people do not see much advantage in being members.  

Why does it matter?NOte what "HE" said...."Give me your herd prefix so I can google some of your successes and see some pics of your stock". Well, I did what he said, I googled "his" stock.  If you re-read his post about how much "HE" has done, its interesting his name does not appear on any of the animals he professes many times of "breeding".  A year or so ago he was telling us that if shorthorns weren't frame score 8 they weren't worth anything.
It all sounds like BS...................... not pun intended.

I had to laugh at the link you provided. I actually wrote that very piece a couple of years ago for the UK Review.  (lol) (clapping)

 

[OH Breeder]

ouch.. wish there was a smiley for slap in the face...

But if it's looking fishy to me-- I'll blast away at you, or it.  Nothing worse than portraying to be something it's not! 
Jody


But now where is the slap in the face? I am missing it something?

 

[kfacres]

ouch.. wish there was a smiley for slap in the face...

But if it's looking fishy to me-- I'll blast away at you, or it.  Nothing worse than portraying to be something it's not! 
Jody


But now where is the slap in the face? I am missing it something?

why doesn't the question get answered?