another dang ole baby american

[Bradenh]

here is a beefmaster steer, he didnt have a mother with the exeption of his first 60 days alive, and she died, hes a purebred but i just want to know what you guys think can happen in the future if he was shown as an abc at a show like ft worth? is the potential there?

 

[Mainevent]

I really like his lines, seems to have a fair amount of stoutness. Think he should do fairly well in the steer deal, depending on his age I'd be worried he's a little behind.

 

[simmyman67]

I agree with Mainevent

 

[rackranch]

Two things, First of all I would be worried about his frame score.  The breed seems to get a little framed up so I would make certain that he is moderate to very moderate in his frame.  Second would be the amount of dulap that the steer has.  Has the chance to look pretty sloppy out there in the ring.  Also, if I was picking one for Ft Worth, I would want a steer with some hair.  I like the looks of the calve as far as power and structure and feel like a slick show would fit him better.  My advice since you already have an American for this year would be to watch the trends set by the judges at the majors.  If you see that this steer has a chance to fit in somewhere then give it a shot.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

I think he is a pretty attractive calf.  There are some moderate framed Beefmasters out there, we had a heifer in the barn last year that I thought should be out there producing american steers, she was very moderate, easy feeding, and stout.  So I think it can be done.  My concerns would be this.  As we all know when it gets to the level of Ft Worth, San Antonio, Houston, etc.  there are going to be a lot of good calves there, so one really has to have ALL the pieces in order to go in the there and get it done.  For Ft Worth is he gonna put on enough hair to be competitive? Some Beefmaster genetics will grow hair as well as anything else you will find, some of them wont grow hair regardless of what you do.  Also is this steer gonna stand on enough bone to go out there and look stout enough compared to the other steers.  I think this steer is very complete, functional, and adequate all the way around, but at that level they need to be a little more than adequate sometimes and bone is one of the areas I would worry about him on.  Then again if he will grow hair you can fix all that..lol.

 

[Bradenh]

here is a beefmaster steer, he didnt have a mother with the exeption of his first 60 days alive, and she died, hes a purebred but i just want to know what you guys think can happen in the future if he was shown as an abc at a show like ft worth? is the potential there?

alright steerplanet, i had to do this and you guys passed the test for the most part. all of the first pictures were taken of the motherless purebred the day we bought him in early may. These new ones were taken Yesterday and saturday of the same calf, now with all of that said i would like a new set of opinions on him and how you think he will turn out these last 100 days to go into ft worth as a light weight, any and all thoughts are welcome! and thanks for the responses already

 

[Mainevent]

He's grown! Seems to have kept all those attractive features from when he was younger. Really sloppy fronted for me but I don't do the American thing. Good stout made steer seems to have caught right up. How much is he weighing

 

[twistedhshowstock]

He is definately stout, and I change my comment now.  While he isnt a monster footed kinda steer he seems alot more adequate now.  My biggest nock is even for an american there is a lot of leather in the front.  And while I hate to say it you know as well as me that there is gonna be a lot of hair even on the americans in Ft Worth, are you going to be able to put enough hair on him to make him competitive there?  But as far as structure and power I think he is every bit good enough to go in there and get it done.

 

[Bradenh]

thanks guys, he is weighing right around 800 right now, target weight about 1150 when he goes down there, he is sloppy no doubt but we are hoping after feeding americans all these years that we will be able to suck it off starting about thanksgiving, hair will come. hes been living in a lot and never seen a fan or blower till this last weekend (where he was reserve american). we are working on a barn to really get hair started before the end  of the month, but i think hair is achieveable.... thanks again for yalls opinions, i was looking at the pictures and couldnt pass up the oppritunity of putting before and afters on here, seems from what you guys are saying (and what im seeing), we have 2 major issues, but 2 fixible issues and we will see how this one turns out..... KEEP ANY THOUGHTS COMING, i love reading these

 

[Bradenh]

Bumo

 

[Okotoks]

I know nothing about americans but that steer sure looks good to me in these recent photos. You have doen a great job developing him (thumbsup)
Why would they knock him for sloppy sheath and leather if he is an American. I thought they would exhibit some Brahman traits or are they trying to eliminate the loose hide? Also hair in Texas seems something you might select against. Maybe someone could put some info up on what you select for in Americans and why.

 

[Bradenh]

him being too trashey is a direct descendent of him being 100% american and not 25% like most, they will bash him in the ring for the leather but thats something we will deal with.... most americans that win are cheater americans with very little brahman blood in them, and some are cleaner made half bloods, but you hardly ever see a true full blood american do any good, but heck i guess someone has to start a trend,

one thing we wont worry about with him having all that neck and beefmaster blood, he will never be worried about classing out at ft worth (half the cheater americans will get thown out),,,, and he will cover his tracks at a finished weight and be sound as a dream

hope this helps you a little bit okotoks, its a hard situation to be in with a papered calf but he hasnt been worse than third in his class this year so we hope all is ok

 

[JSchroeder]

I wouldn't say anything but before you confuse people, you're sort of using the term "American" loosely.

A 1/2 Maine x 1/2 Brahman would likely have more Brahman blood than a Beefmaster but by your definition would be half as American.

 

[Bradenh]

yeah it would but brahman to a maine isnt a real american breed, its still a half blood?, and when you deal with brahmans or half brahmans that is a different concept.. its the abc, gert, brangus, and simbrahs that im reffering too as americans not brahmans.... and those 4 breeds are almost always crossed up... brahmans have to be half blood to get in, a gert or abc can be 1/8 and get in

 

[JSchroeder]

Using your definition a Brahman bull bred to a Shorthorn/Hereford cow would only be 50% American when for all intents and purposes it's the same thing as the Beefmasters you call 100% American.

What I'm saying is calling any of the composite american breeds 100% American confuses the idea of what makes a calf an American.  That halfblood Brahman x Maine is just as American as a Beefmaster, the only difference is there's no Brahmaine registry.

Also, there's no such thing as a 1/8 requirement for ABC calves.

 

[bart]

Gerts Beefmaster Simbra Brangus are all still classed as American cattle? I am getting lost here help me out. I thought Gerts beefmaster Brangus Simbra are all americans.
I know they go the majors as Americans.

 

[Bradenh]

Alright Jeff, how about instead of arguing, you summarize it for otokos so we can answer their question, what I said is technically not correct but you know as well as anyone what I mean, ..... I started this post to see what people thought of my calf, a poster had a question which I tried to answer, then you get on and argue instead of helping the issue, which is nothing new,,,,, so here's a suggestion, if u want to hold an argument over something make a topic for that, but if you can t help answer the previous posters question, or don't have any input on the calf, then either make your own topic or turn on your t.v and find something else to do

 

[JSchroeder]

Sigh.  What do you think was arguing?  I thought I was pretty clear I was trying to correct what you said so it wouldn't create more confusion on what an american is to those that don't know.

 

[JSchroeder]

Okotoks, it matter in americans just like exotics.  They have to have leather to classify but that calf has a lot of skin on his neck even for an american calf.  It's why people dint generally show beefmaster steers.

 

[JSchroeder]

Darn phone.  I was trying to edit to say its hard to get a beefmaster clean fronted enough to compete.

Show stopper, nobody was trying to argue with you.  Northerners have a hard enough time as it is understanding the idea of american cattle without changing the meaning of it.