ASA Member question. New donor dam requirements for ET calf registration

[Ruebush Shorthorns]

I have two ET heifer calves that I am having trouble registering because the cows they are out of do not have TH and PHA on record with the ASA.  One cow is dead and the other the owner sold and is unsure of its status also.  Is their a way to register these calves now or am I just screwed over by the ASA again.  I have only tried online registration and really hate to call and ask them unless I absolutly have to.  One is a horn plus and other purebred.  Just checking if anyone else is having this problem now with the new rules.  These egss were harvested before the rules took place.
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[mark tenenbaum]

I have two ET heifer calves that I am having trouble registering because the cows they are out of do not have TH and PHA on record with the ASA.  One cow is dead and the other the owner sold and is unsure of its status also.  Is their a way to register these calves now or am I just screwed over by the ASA again.  I have only tried online registration and really hate to call and ask them unless I absolutly have to.  One is a horn plus and other purebred.  Just checking if anyone else is having this problem now with the new rules.  These egss were harvested before the rules took place. YOU WILL NEED TO CALL HAHN-good guy-he will help you-basically you may need to blood type the calves-no big oogly boogly O0
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[sue]

DNA REQUIRMENTS FOR DONORS AND AI SIRES  is not a new rule for ASA?? Just a guess but I would say 05' or 06' maybe before that time period.  The harvest time has nothing to with the time the egg was Transferred.

If you purchased the eggs ... then you were 'screwed" by the SELLER and not by AMERICAN SHORTHORN ASSOCIATION.

FOR THOSE OF YOU READ THIS POST ..... MAKE SURE THE NEW AI BULL YOU TRIED LAST SPRING HAS DNA RECORDED  OR YOUR REG PAPERS WILL BE DELAYED THIS FALL.

 

[Jacob B]

I always figure that any registration with the ASA was gunna be delayed.  It seems to be a big headache almost every time.  There are so many hoops to jump through when dealing with shorthorns.

 

[aj]

What hoops is there to jump through?Estimating a birth date and birth weight?

 

[Ruebush Shorthorns]

I am about 99% sure I will not be paying to be a member in an association I can't even register my calves come next year.  I will just pay non member fees if I have a calf that they will actually register for me.  I've only got three purebred cows left, down from about 12, and they may never be bred purebred again. Even though all of our shows require papers and are not by apperence.

So is their any way to register ET calves now with a donor with no blood work on file or do I just have some unregistered calves I will have to show against crossbreds?

 

[BadgerFan]

I think you're up a creek without a paddle.  You can see if the cow has any other progeny on record (natural calves) with ASA or any other breed association, if she does they can "reconstruct" the cow's DNA profile to the point that they can compare these calves against her for parent verification.  Otherwise, you've got commercial calves.

 

[Show Heifer]

I was under the impression you just had to DNA the calves if the cow and bull wasn't on record for TH/PHA.  On the other hand, if the cow wasn't DNA'd for type when she was flushed, the seller flat screwed you.  Go talk to them. Don't hold the assoc accountable for YOUR lack of knowledge and the SELLER's lack of morals.

I registered a shorthorn plus about a month ago, and it took me about 24 hours to get the computer copy of her papers. She was an AI calf, out of a cow I raised. They were amazing in helping me get the papers for a kid who gave me 26 hours notice that he wanted to show the calf as a SH+.

Next time, read the rules of the assoc to make sure what you are buying is actually "what you are buying".

 

[Ruebush Shorthorns]

The purebred eggs came from the donors unlimted sale.  Thats about as reputable as it gets in my opinion.  I have been in the ASA for over 5 years and have had countless issues, and I know they have tried to improve and it is quick if you are dealing with non AI or ET calves.  I think it is a bit over the top to not register a know purebred calf regarless of how it came to be.  This is cattle we are talking about here.  If the human race was scrutnized the way these cattle are going, half of us probably would be considered carriers of something that we would consider to be bad for the human race.  I get the whole idea of wanting to know if an animal is a carrier or not, Ive had a Th calf, it was not a great experience.  This is why many people twist the truth in the ASA.  If I go online and say those heifers were natural calves I would have no problem getting papers, but I would be lying.  I am assuming the reasoning is that if these cows and bulls are cluttering up a bigger percentage of the future gene pool at least some of the breed will be known defect free or carriers. 
I just find it hard to throw away info on calves that qualify when the ASA wants you to register everything that comes out purebred even if it is sale barn quality.

Also, I have done defect testing on soem of my cows and also a bull and it took about 6 months to get the results.

 

[OH Breeder]

If you registered a shorthorn plus you can't register those online. You have to send in a paper unless with in the last 6 months they changed that. I feel your pain. Believe me the ASA is not one of the easiest to deal with. I have registered with quiet a few others and have had no where the issues I have with Shorty's. I know they are trying but they have a long way to go.


Directly from rule book

Death: It is recommended that the owner of any donor dam shall notify the ASA of the dam’s death within thirty (30) days. Resulting offspring calved after the death of a cow shall be eligible for registration under the same conditions and provisions governing the eligibility of embryo calves.  In the event the donor dam had not been DNA genotyped and/or genetic defect tested prior to death, ASA shall make a determination as to the appropriateness of issuing an E.T. certificate on a case-by-case basis.  If a donor dam has died and was born after January 1, 2006, the required DNA genotype and genetic defect test results must be on file in order to issue E.T. certificates.

Here is one way around it. Have the calves tested for defects and then the you can use the following rule.

Genetic Recovery Cattle: Purebred, non-registered Shorthorn cattle with unknown parentage, but which can be proven to be descendants of Shorthorn parents, can be recorded in the American Shorthorn Association Herd Record at the 7/8 blood concentration level upon inspection by ASA staff and payment of proper fees. DNA

 

[Show Heifer]

You bring up some good points Ruebush. I don't understand why you can't just DNA the calves and then register them? 
You can register a shortie + if the "unknown dam" has been used to register before, or/and the sire is on record.

OH Breeder, I have never understood why a red maine can be registered as a shortie, and yet a commercial shortie cow bred to a registered/purebred bull isn't a half blood at least? 

I guess if I were you, I would contact the managers of the donors unlimited sale, along with the seller. I would then call the assoc and tell them that the embryos were misrepresented. You should be able to register the calves or get your money back. That is what a reputable breeder would do, and that is what a good sale manager would see to be done.

JMO.

 

[Ruebush Shorthorns]

I can enter all the info on my account online but when I hit register all the red flags pop up.  My shorthorn plus is a Hairy Bear out of a register cow.  The bull is already listed in the association and so is the cow.  It listed AI cert., Th and Pha on donor dam. 
The purebred is a Milestone Sabre out of the tequila D11 cow that Double J had in OK.  The cow was TH tested but since PHA is now required it pops up as not on file.  I will keep investigating.  Thanks for all the suggestions.
Scott

 

[ToJo]

I have often registered ET calves when either the donor or sire or both have died prior to DNA testing for parentage and genetic defects.  You will have to test the calves for genetic defects and parentage.  Go ahead enter online, and when you recieve your case number from the company that ran the DNA, call that number in to the ASA with the corresponding ASA cmnumber.