BBII Made Right 63 over Milsap 43

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BBII Milsap vs Made Right

Purple Milsap

VS

Made Right

 

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[Hofstatter Farms]

HAVE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD CALVES OUR OF MADE RIGHT, BUT MILSAP ALL THE WAY! <rock>

 

[herefordfootball]

Suprised Moler and Online didnt make it in the finals

 

[Nasc]

Check out the Bulls and the Brackets here:

http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/index.php?topic=12834.0

Here is the Shorthorn/Hereford Bracket

Moler is the #1 seed for Herefords
And I think
Online is a 5th seed in the Hereford bracket

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[amcosgra]

Am I the only one wondering how Milsap is one of the best eight hereford bulls of all time?  He is three years old, only has two calf crops (137 reported calves), and no champions reported.  Sure he looks good but a bull is measured by how he produces and how he changes the breed and we don't know enough about Milsap to answer those questions.

 

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[HerefordGuy]

Is Made Right even registered?  In my mind, a disappointing result.  Interested to see how the rest of the bracket goes.

 

[herf96]

Made Right is not registered.  I am not sure though that he is crossbred.  His breeding is 4114made which is Mr.Incredible X Taylor Made which goes back to Perfection for you hereford enthusiasts.  Mr. Incredible was also one of those early hereford bulls when all the crazy stuff was happening in the hereford breed as far as registrations.  I am not particularly a huge fan of maderight, but no bull in recent hereford club calf business has made quite a stir.  He had the champion hereford steer in Ft. Worth even though the picture I am sure does not do the steer justice.  There was an amazing set of calves that sold this past spring with one flush of calves averaging 16000.  (yes that is thousand) His semen sold for an average of 135 dollars a straw this past june.  He might of disappointed a few as the winner but the proof is in the pudding.  I am pretty sure that would make him selling more higher dollar semen and calves on average than any other hereford bull.  If not dang close.  If you are producing big time hereford steers in the south our alomost guarantee that those cattle are not registerable.  It is just simple fact that pure cattle can not dominate in the hereford steer circles in the south, they may win on occasion but seldom.  I would like for someone to name the last time a pure horned or polled hereford one the breed in Ft. Worth.  I bet it has been a decade maybe more.  I study this deal pretty hard.  Does anyone know when a pure one won the breed the last time.  I am not trying to offend anyone it is just the cold hard facts. 

 

[HerefordGuy]

When Keynote and Boomer 29F semen is priced at $1000 a straw, http://starlakeherefords.com/forsale.php?c=15&ct=Semen&p=18 and these bulls have thousands of registrations, I doubt that Made Right is the high dollar semen seller.

But, I was very interested to learn more about Made Right's pedigree.  Does anyone have a picture of Mr. Incredible?  I've heard a lot about him but never seen him.  He was rumored to not be 100% Hereford correct?  If he was crossbred, what other breed was rumored to be in his pedigree?

I doubt it's been a decade.  I'm not sure, but I believe Barbers had purebred.
http://www.barberranch.com/fw/ftworth6.htm
http://www.barberranch.com/houston/houston1.htm

 

[herf96]

you got me.  I forgot that the twins were still showing in 2001.  Are you sure they were purebred.  Mr. Incredible was the sire to Summitt Aka the bull that put barbers on the map.  You said it yourself that he was questioned not to be pure.  9139 AKA the steer bull for barbers was summitt bred.  Ouch!  Perfection questioned not to be pure either however he does have papers.  So maybe made right is pure with out papers.  I doubt it but maybe.  Barbers also had a donor that they partner with Dr. Mimms that you could have bought made right embryos out of this spring along with some other questionable hereford bull.  Just thought you might could use this info.  Made Right isnt dead yet either so would it be fair to compare him to keynote and boomer.

 

[HerefordGuy]

No, I'm not sure the steers were purebred (and I know Summit goes back to Mr. Incredible, that's why I phrased my original post "I'm not sure...").   

Is Moler still alive?  I don't know if he is or not, but his semen sells for $500. 

 

[herf96]

Simple fact is compared to the bull in this situation, Purple Milsap,their should be no question which bull is better.  I honestly don't think that made right is the all time leading semen seller.  If you truly want to dig up some old deads lets talk about David.  All time high seller at Denver that paid for himself in a year of semen sells.  Made Right will never compete with the registered cattle on semen sales.  I am a pedigree nut and would be willing talk all night, especially about hereford show steers and old pedigrees.

 

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Final
Made Right over Milsap
63 to 43
106 votes

 

[HerefordGuy]

Simple fact is compared to the bull in this situation, Purple Milsap,their should be no question which bull is better.  I honestly don't think that made right is the all time leading semen seller.  If you truly want to dig up some old deads lets talk about David.  All time high seller at Denver that paid for himself in a year of semen sells.  Made Right will never compete with the registered cattle on semen sales.  I am a pedigree nut and would be willing talk all night, especially about hereford show steers and old pedigrees.

Herf96-
In this situation, I agree with you.  On a show steer website, given the success Made Right has had, given the limited success Purple Milsap has had, I think you are right, and the voters agreed with you!  From a registered, purebred situation, it might be a different conversation (this is the angle I was originally coming from), but it is not.

I LOVE PEDIGREES!  ;D  So, you've peaked my curiosity, who is this David?  This is what I got when I search the Hereford website-
http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=233750&3=56&4=5858225924242325212A29212A&5=2B3C2B3C3A

 

[herf96]

David and for the life of me I can not come up with his pedigree  name, hewas popular back in the early eighties.  He was raised by James Bright in California.  He sold in Denver for a mere 301,000 for half interest.  Rumor has it he paid for himself in one years worth of semen sales.  He was  line 1 bull whose offspring were high in demand for extra growth and good uddered highly functional females.  I have read several articles but he is old enough that finding anything online is near impossible.  I know it was a record then I am not sure about now.  I am pretty far out of the loop on registered cattle as I mainly deal with herefords on the club calf platform anymore.  My last real dealings with purebreds was in the early parts of this decade. 
Without a dout the purebred business is way different then the clubby industry.  Barbers have a top notch program and some of the best phenotype in the business.  They are always competitive. 
The strangest things happen with certain great pedigrees in the hereford industy.  If you have been in anytime at all you know the ups and downs of all the different pedigrees.  I wish like everything that the clubby herefords would have stayed pure, because for most of us it is hard to play the game knowing what we started with and have tried to build.  I really like the bull calf on your login. Good herefords always excite me.

 

[herf96]

Pedigree name:
Le Grand Domio 7184
I knew if I dug a little I could find him.  Look him up under animal inquiry on the aha website.  He was fairly influential.

 

[HerefordGuy]

Pedigree name:
Le Grand Domino 7184
I knew if I dug a little I could find him.  Look him up under animal inquiry on the aha website.  He was fairly influential.

1,848 progeny analysed (Fairly influential!  (thumbsup) ).  Line bred.  Nice bull.

Thanks for the complement on the bull calf.  In general, in our part of the country, people just want any old bull, they don't care what he looks like or how his calves will perform.  They just want something cheap.  So, we're really hoping we can place this bull calf, JSD Imax 3D 0903 with someone who will appreciate him and use him to his full potential.  If you know anyone who could use him (as a bull or a steer) point them to our website: http://www.deckerherefordranch.com/

So what other gems like David do you have for me?  ;D

 

[herf96]

herefordguy, I was raised on a purebred outfit up until the early 90's and then we switched gears, because just as you said people around here dont really care about the bull just as long as he can cover a cow.  It is easier on the pocket bull to average 3500 on 6 month old steer calves than  keep that calf until he is two years old and sale him for half that.  He eats more and breaks more than he is worth.  A purebred bull that not many talk about that can raise a good steer is Full Focus.  He has some old genetics in his pedigree that goes back to Myrtlewood Slue and All Pro a bull of Indian Mounds.  One other that shows up on a steer pedigree every once in awhile is Timex.  I believe he is another purebred from Indian Mound. Probably one of the most influential of recent time is Pure Gold.  Hoffman ranch has donor out of him that is one nice rig.  I saw the heirers early in the spring that are in their sale.  What a set.  I know they have used some older genet ics and it looks like they are on top of the Hereford deal right now.