breeding up unregistered cows

[cebwtx]

I have a couple of unregistered Angus cows that I am wanting to improve their overall performance. When I a say unregistered I mean that they look Angus and when I bought them that is what I was told. Somewhere down the line I feel sure they have something else in them. In the process of trying to improve their progeny I am also looking to help out a couple of my daughters friends by allowing them to show the animals to get experience working around cattle. We are fortunate enough to have a place to raise cows even though we are living the city life. My daughter has a heifer and a soon to be steer out of our registered animals so I am not as concerned with spending the same money to breed up the unregistered cows. What I am looking for is a sire that is first and formost going to improve the overall genetics of the offspring, while still adding some show qualities. These animals would more than likely never be shown at a level higher than a county show. As anyone who shows knows it can be costly but immense fun. My take is that I can give a couple of kids an experience with and appreciation for cattle that they otherwise  might not of had. I also figure that it could only help me, if the offsring is a heifer, for a tamer cow with some improved genetics. So I guess after all of that being said what would anyone suggest that I use to breed these cows to have the best results for productive offspring.

 

[the angus111]

I am going to give you angus genetics.I know there will be abundance of clubby genetics.Schaff has bulls that have performance,predictability and show quality as well. The problem is unregistered cattle is pretty much entered in commercial classes.clubby genetics come in to play.I love bismarck,004,mandan,it goes on and on.look at champion hill's success.Midland is a bull ,that makes exceptional females as well.he is proven.my thoughts are use proven genetics,not the bull of the month.rusty

 

[Bone2011]

I am also gonna suggest using the schaff line. Bismark would work or either two bulls on the double 0 4 line either final answer or net worth both have work very well for us and are a pleasure to be around.

 

[GoWyo]

You could also go with Ali or some of his sons and make some nice Maine cross cows to work on your base herd.

 

[ATM OH]

The Duff bull lineup would likely help get your cows started off right.  New Edition, Encore, Copyright...any of those.  They also throw somewhat of a club calf look that could compete in the commercial or crossbreed class.

 

[TJ]

I can think of very little reason why you should breed them to an Angus & 2 reasons not to do it.  1st, you wont be able to register the calves.  2nd, you wont get the benefits heterosis.  As far as I know, the only Angus cattle that have a percentage registry are the Lowline Angus, so unless you use a Lowline bull you wont be able to register the offspring.  You can, however, breed em to a Maine & get registered Maintainers or to a Chi & get low % Chi's, etc.  Anyway, I'd go with a breed of bull whose offspring can be registered if it were me & you have lots of choices.  On top of that, the advantages of heterosis are too great to pass up, IMHO. 

 

[Sunset Hills]

Ok, for angus I'd go with anything SAV or anything Champion Hill uses.
They're beautiful calves.  For clubs I'd use WMW

 

[Dero]

Don't forget Simmy's also register % cattle and Sim x Ang is a great maternal cross to use as a base for clubby breeding.

 

[JbarL]

maine...gigelo joe
simmi...aftershock
shortie..jakes proud jazz
angus... im with tj

 

[cebwtx]

In the breeds that can be registered as a percentage, does anyone know what the required % are. I was thinking that Simmental is 50% or higher. I also thought I had heard that Shorthorns were either no longer doing % or were talking about doing away with it. I am not sure about that just thought I had heard something along those lines. I don't know about Maine-Anjou or Chianina. Also how does Maine-Anjou calf weights compare to other breeds. I know Angus tend to be smaller and Simmental heavier but many of the exotics I am unsure.

 

[GoWyo]

Take a look at Smokin Joe on the Bushy Park Farm web site.  They say his calves averaged 73 pounds on a bunch of Angus cows.

 

[kk]

I would suggest using simmental such as a calving ease son of dream on you can then register the daughters as half bloods and then in two generations have purebreds and more than likely no genetic defects

 

[justme]

Maines, just like any breed (except maybe lowlines, jersey's, and mini herefords0 will have both ends of the spectrum on calving ease.  You just have to be selective.  Major's Money Man and Gigolo Joe are 2 good calving ease Maines.  The Angus x Maines make really great cows when your done showing them, plus you can register them as maintainers.  Most states have maintainer  classes or your can go AOB.  When we relocated to Missouri, we bought some registered Angus to specifically breed to Maine bulls.  They are now all gone, and we've retained females out of them.  Really good doing, productive cows.  Good luck!  Anyways you slice it...your doing a great thing with your kids! (thumbsup) <party>