butchering in the driveway

[knabe]

http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/09/06/police-called-after-man-butchers-cow-his-driveway

Comments are awesome.

where's peta when you need them.

i bet the aclu is nowhere to be found.

 

[Doc]

I'm not saying that it was the smartest move on his part. With that being said , maybe he had no other choice. Lets say for instance you are unemployed , you are running out of savings, you have 4 or 5 mouths to feed, & you need to get the most bang for your buck food wise. You go buy a beef from a rancher & bring it home to slaughter because you don't have the extra money to pay a processing house & you also have the know how to do it yourself. At least he did shoot it , instead of stand there with a sledge hammer & kill it.
I would say he will end up paying several hundred dollars in fines , which is ridiculous. Just because a neighbor doesn't want to explain to their kids that is where their Happy Meal comes from.
Now what he should have told the police was, that it part of his religous ritual ,especially if he said he was a Muslim, then the officer probably would have helped him finish butchering it. To prove to the Muslim world that there is no hard feelings for 9-11-01.  NOT!!!!!!!!
JMHO.

 

[nate53]

What the heck Knabe, no video?

 

[kfacres]

"my milk and meat come from the grocery store- not from cows".

"Does brown milk come from brown cows?"

That pretty well sums it up...  Dumb city people who need awoke to the 'real' world.  If our gov't would do something, instead of punish farmers and ranchers.

 

[vc]

When I was a boy me uncle lived just out side of town, he always raised 2 or 3 Holstein / Angus steers to butcher out each year. His pens faced the road, the butcher would come down to his place and kill and quarter the beef and then take it back to his place to hang and process. As the town grew and the roads became more busy he started getting complaints from the city, who received complaints from passerbuys, who saw the beef hanging from hooks as the butcher was quartering it. He ended getting the ends if wire spools off of huge reels of high voltage wire, to build a barrier so people could not see the horrible site (2 or 3 times a year). He eventually got annexed into the city but kept on doing what he had been doing until he died.

 

[willow]

This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about the world we live in.  Ok maybe not the best idea to slaughter a cow in the driveway of your home located in a populated subdivision, but no one knows that mans situation and he wasn't breaking any obvious laws (I am sure the town doesn't have a law that says you cannot slaughter a cow inside city limits...maybe a law about shooting a high powered rifle inside city limits, but?).  I am sure his intent wasn't to disturb the neighborhood kids, or break laws.  Leave the man the heck alone and maybe ask him nicely if he could make arrangements to do his slaughtering elsewhere in the future.  The justice system should go out and find a drunk driver, or a drug dealer, or a child molester, or some other thug and harass them.
I have thought many times when we have the "meat wagon" show up at our place if someone would throw a fit.  We don't live in the city, but we share a looong driveway with another less agriculturally educated family and I can see this becoming an issue.  It is just another case of people imposing their will on others.  Mind your own damn business unless someone is going to die. 

 

[BadgerFan]

I'm not saying that it was the smartest move on his part. With that being said , maybe he had no other choice. Lets say for instance you are unemployed , you are running out of savings, you have 4 or 5 mouths to feed, & you need to get the most bang for your buck food wise. You go buy a beef from a rancher & bring it home to slaughter because you don't have the extra money to pay a processing house & you also have the know how to do it yourself. At least he did shoot it , instead of stand there with a sledge hammer & kill it.
I would say he will end up paying several hundred dollars in fines , which is ridiculous. Just because a neighbor doesn't want to explain to their kids that is where their Happy Meal comes from.
Now what he should have told the police was, that it part of his religous ritual ,especially if he said he was a Muslim, then the officer probably would have helped him finish butchering it. To prove to the Muslim world that there is no hard feelings for 9-11-01.  NOT!!!!!!!!
JMHO.

Strictly from a dollars and sense standpoint, if money was a serious issue...Would beef be your best bang for your food buck?  No.

 

[JSchroeder]

You guys are defending him?

This isn't persecution of ag or ignorance of where beef comes from.  I can think of half a dozen things that are perfectly acceptable to do indoors or out of public view that would get you arrested if I did them on my front driveway.

It doesn't mean my neighbors don't know where poop comes from, where babies come from, how a person's body is prepared for burial, or how people wash themselves; it means they have a reasonable expectation to not have to look at that stuff in public.

 

[vc]

So you are saying he should have done it inside his house?

Not saying what he did is right or the smartest, but how far do you push it, prosecute him, fine him, what?

If there are no laws against it (except for discharging a fire arm) then how can he be prosecuted for anything else?

We do not process the animals at our place anymore because it would be in view of the neighbors, and I prefer to pick my issues to fight about and that is not one of them. It is bad enough when we wean calves.

 

[kidsandkows]

This guys is so right on. He should run for President I would vote for him.

From SR

"These geniuses have so many laws and regulations that they don't know what they are, and need the aid of a hundred different agencies to try to enforce them. If you need a review process to determine if a 'crime' was committed, then it should be obvious to those that still have common sense that no crime was involved. No harm, no foul. No victim, no crime.

If all it takes for a 'disorderly conduct' charge is public annoyance, then every last one of these tax feeding bloodsuckers should turn themselves in to the sheriffs office immediately"

I believe this guy is entitled to do as he pleases on his property and the neighbors have the right to look the other way. Would I have done it differently? Of course, and maybe so would he now. Like if he did shoot it in city limits thats wrong. Shoot it outside city limits and bring it home to quarter it.

It just reminds me how important it is that we all educate our city friends about agriculture etc, because we (agriculture) are a minority. We always have our city friends and family out to help us brand. It might but somewhat hectic and funny at the same time but I bet they go back and share that experience.

 

[Mueller Show Cattle]

I don't see any charges sticking against the man except maybe the discharging of a firearm in city limits. I don't have a problem with it, I would say for the man to use better judgement next time and process the steer or cow inside a garage and dispatch (kill) the steer outside of city limits and then quarter it away from city folk eyes. This happens around me every so often but I live in the country. I remember when I lived in Missouri 8 years ago and I would go deer hunting and bring the deer carcass back to my dad's house in a subdivision and cut the deer up, just don't see a problem with it.

 

[Woody]

So it wasnt the most well thought out event,  so he shot a gun in town, give him a ticket for it and quit diggin for somethin else to slap him with.  I think we all have done things that if you dig at it long enough and have a lawyer involved we would be guilty. learn from it, dont go about it the same way and get on with life.

 

[ALTSIMMY 79]

In my hometown from about October through January hunters have deer carcases hanging in trees in backyards, open sheds , and garages all over in and out of town so who gives a rip about some guy processing his own beef !  At least hes skilled enough to do the job which most people today arent !!! Yes he should have dispatched it eleswhere but as far as the butchering goes i think he can do what ever the heck he wants on his own property. My folks are business owners in Wyoming on main street and the whole town there hangs and processes their deer right out in the public eye !

 

[knabe]

plumbers butt should be outlawed

 

[Woody]

Dont forget people that drive slower than me, its a public annoyance.

 

[comercialfarmer]

What part of the process is offensive?  Is it that people recognize it was an intact live animal prior to processing?  Is it the blood?  The volume of blood?   Is it the cutting of uncooked tissue into smaller sections?  At what point is this sectioning no longer considered offensive and should be allowed for public viewing?

Should butchers in the local meat markets be fined as well?  Should cooks who trim the fat in open kitchens?  Should patrons of steak houses who cut the steaks into smaller pieces or in the act of mastication?  What if someone is eating a steak that is rare- is that an offensive event necessary of citation?  

Can't someone be guilty of a moral fault without it being criminal.  The individual may be guilty of not being appreciative of others desires (sometimes having a right does not make an act morally correct), but this does not make it illegal.  If it is on their personal property, doesn't the offended onlookers have an obligation to resolve the issue by just not looking?  How many of these events could be handled by a conversation between two people without involvement of the police and wasting money?  

(I am far from politically correct and I don't care) I can think of very few things more offensive to me than to view 2 guys kissing.  Movies, TV shows, and individuals in public are repeatedly putting it in my face.  Can I have them cited, or arrested?  Or is their freedoms that should not be infringed upon?  Not discussing nudity/obscenity here.    

There is legitimate data that will support that both of the above events CAN create a naturally negative emotional response when viewed.  But I will wager that many of the people wishing to ban the first from public view is less likely to support the same banning of the second.  

That line of thinking and policy making is nothing short of dangerous.      

 

[Doc]

You guys are defending him?

This isn't persecution of ag or ignorance of where beef comes from.  I can think of half a dozen things that are perfectly acceptable to do indoors or out of public view that would get you arrested if I did them on my front driveway.

It doesn't mean my neighbors don't know where poop comes from, where babies come from, how a person's body is prepared for burial, or how people wash themselves; it means they have a reasonable expectation to not have to look at that stuff in public.

Am I defending him? Not really. Am I defending his rights ? Durn straight!!! Like I said in my 1st post . His actions may not have been the most thought out & well planned, but it's still his right. Does the city have an ordinance from butchering in the city limits? Did he try to contain the blood? Did he he try get rid of the waste properly? Who knows. But legit concerns, in my opinion. As far someone not agreeing that a whole beef was the most bang for his buck. Maybe , maybe not. Don't know what he gave for it or if maybe he works for someone & that was part of his pay.
Does the lady that called the police keep her kids from watching some slasher movie or even NCIS for that matter? Probably not. I , myself don't waste my money on any the horror flicks that come out , but I hear people talk about how gross they are. Are far as something like NCIS, I'll admit I' hooked on it & you see some pretty gross stuff on there. What I'm saying & I think a lot of other people on here are saying , is where are we going to draw the line on the infringement of our rights. We are so concerned about offending someone's sensitivity about the fact that they are a vegan & don't want meat served in school, or we can't say prayer in school but yet a muslim is excused to go say their prayer on their mat or I have to pay more & more each year for school supplies because there isn't enough money in the budget , but yet we hire special translators for the kids that only speak spanish & kurdish.
Kinda rambled there at the end , but with all that being said I'm still glad that I live in the greatest country in the world. I would also loke to remember all the people that lost their lives to a bunch of cowards 10 years ago this weekend.  <hero>

 

[knabe]

eating meat should be outlawed.

 

[vanridge]

I think its strange that the first thing a neighbour would do is call the cops when they think something is going to happen. OK it might be a bit weird that a cow is in the middle of a residential area, but to call the cops right away? Is that the first thing you would do if you saw something like that out the window? Did they ever go talk to the guy and ask him why there was a cow in the driveway?

 

[ALTSIMMY 79]

Vanridge- very good point there ! I guess maybe in todays world the city dwellers are just entirely too busy with there bs lives to talk to their neighbors , let alone get to know them. Much easier for them to just hit a few buttons on the cell phone and whine to the law about it !!!