savaged
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I'm just curious about these numbers as I consider the supply-demand aspect of this business. Maybe it will also help me rationalize the spending to my wife ;D
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kfacres
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when you get down to it... alot of boughten ones-- get shown in the B/O division as well...
Not many people raising anything- of any species-- any more....
Not many people raising anything- of any species-- any more....
firesweepranch
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Cut the BS said:
How do you figure Jody? Really, the only place it matters is Regional and National shows, except for State Fair or bigger fairs. You need papers showing you owned the dam at time of breeding (so you are the breeder and owner listed). I find that hard to falsify, unless you have tons of cattle registered in your kids name and then just go chose one for your kid to show. My daughter won Bred and Owned at our big district fair and came home with a big check for it (big to us at least!).
But back to the question; it is hard to answer. I can say the bred and owned classes are smaller, meaning that less people show their own cattle and buy. Maybe because they can not breed that great one that will go out and win everything? We like breeding our own, but still end up buying a heifer or two each year since we have three kids that show and our herd is small (and we seem to be great at producing bulls!). :
kfacres
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firesweepranch said:Cut the BS said:
How do you figure Jody? Really, the only place it matters is Regional and National shows, except for State Fair or bigger fairs. You need papers showing you owned the dam at time of breeding (so you are the breeder and owner listed). I find that hard to falsify, unless you have tons of cattle registered in your kids name and then just go chose one for your kid to show. My daughter won Bred and Owned at our big district fair and came home with a big check for it (big to us at least!).
But back to the question; it is hard to answer. I can say the bred and owned classes are smaller, meaning that less people show their own cattle and buy. Maybe because they can not breed that great one that will go out and win everything? We like breeding our own, but still end up buying a heifer or two each year since we have three kids that show and our herd is small (and we seem to be great at producing bulls!). :
buy the animal- and paper it as your own, happens more than you think... Tattoos are easily reproduced. As long as that owner has a mature female papered-- it's easy for them to register that calf out of it... I know of all kinds of operations that register the bare minimum needed to show- and that's it.. some pedigrees are close-- some are just a peice of paper...
And people wonder why show cattle breeding is so unpredictable-- pedigrees you can't believe, made up EPDs, and crossed up purebreds don't help...
firesweepranch
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Cut the BS said:firesweepranch said:Cut the BS said:
How do you figure Jody? Really, the only place it matters is Regional and National shows, except for State Fair or bigger fairs. You need papers showing you owned the dam at time of breeding (so you are the breeder and owner listed). I find that hard to falsify, unless you have tons of cattle registered in your kids name and then just go chose one for your kid to show. My daughter won Bred and Owned at our big district fair and came home with a big check for it (big to us at least!).
But back to the question; it is hard to answer. I can say the bred and owned classes are smaller, meaning that less people show their own cattle and buy. Maybe because they can not breed that great one that will go out and win everything? We like breeding our own, but still end up buying a heifer or two each year since we have three kids that show and our herd is small (and we seem to be great at producing bulls!). :
buy the animal- and paper it as your own, happens more than you think... Tattoos are easily reproduced. As long as that owner has a mature female papered-- it's easy for them to register that calf out of it... I know of all kinds of operations that register the bare minimum needed to show- and that's it.. some pedigrees are close-- some are just a peice of paper...
And people wonder why show cattle breeding is so unpredictable-- pedigrees you can't believe, made up EPDs, and crossed up purebreds don't help...
If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong, but I don't think so), I think they DNA the winning heifers at Nationals (at least Simmental). There would be no reason to falsify papers if your going to be caught! Now other shows, I'm not sure about. But, once again, why lie? You still have to compete against the big kids in the end... so what advantage do you gain by claiming something is bred and owned (and having registration papers to prove it) when it is not.... just pondering
knabe
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savaged said:
What size diamond does she have, what vehicle does she drive, does the bathroom or kitchen need to be remodeled?
savaged
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knabe said:
Not big enough, not big enough, and of course
I would say 20-40% in our region - in our barn it varies on what we sell but over the years we've been showing I would say about 1/3 of what we've shown we have raised. Last show season my youngest son showed one he raised and won the county steer show with him. this year they are all bought b/c we sold several from the breed we usually show. This coming show season we will have one home raised steer and one we bought - not sure on heifers yet.
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