Cant believe what happened today

[doubled]

I placed an ad in our Des Moines Register for the corgi puppies and I got an email last night from a fella saying he was very interested and wanted the pup for his 8 year old, wanted more information and some more pictures, so I emailed him back this morning and here is what I got back.  I do believe I almost got scammed over a puppy-


Here is the below message I received:


OHThank you for mailing me back everything seems fine,i want you  to know that i
cant call you  due to the reason that i have a hearing  impairment.  Am  sorry i wont be able
to  make the trip to come  down to pick it up  because I'll  be  leaving for  Italy for my business
trip in the  next  few days  and there is no one around now that i can send to
bring the payment to you direct so i want to let you know that my i will be
issuing the payment to you via  CHECK/CAHSIERS CHECK or MONEY ORDER before i
leave for my trip,and the payment will arrive next day,the payment will be sent
down to your place via fedex next day courier service.
  About the shipping there is no need for you to worry about that because i
will instruct my personal shipping agent to come down to your residence for the
pick up of the puppy but i will need your help in remitting the shippers fee ,i
have not gotten in contact with the shipping agent so what i want to do is that
i will include his payment together with yours and once you have cashed the
check at your bank  you will deduct your payment and have the rest sent to the
shipper after which the shipping agent will be at your residence for the  pick
up.
  When the check gets to you,you will take it to your bank and have it cashed
after which you will deduct your payment and then have the remaining balance
wired to the shipper,you will send the shipper's fee out via western union
for pickup.  So if this is ok by you i would want you to provide me with the below
information which will be used to send the check to you i hope you understood my
explanation to you.


Full Names..
Address...(NO P.O.BOX)
City...
Sate....
Zip Code...
Cell and Home Phone Number.....
Your Last Asking Price FOR  The Puppy....

       
            As  soon as  i  get  the  infos  requested  i'll  send  you
the  payment. Pls be notified i am 100% legitimate and  im not  here  to  play
shit  pranks  on  anyone  here.. I  worked hard  to  earn  my  hard  earning
money. Once  you  acept  for  me  to  send  you  the  payment  i'll  send
you  the  payment  and i  wouldnt  want  a  situation whereby  i'll  send
you  the  payment  and  you  get it, and  you  tell  me  you  are  not
comfortable  with  my  payment  then  you  destroy  it  or  return  it  back  to
me. After i  had  tried all  my  possible  best to  make  sure you get the
payment. Let  me  know  and  we  will both  have  a  nice  business  together.
I'll  be  waiting your mail soon...I  want one  of  the puppies..


    Thank You And God Bless..
          Chris.. 

 

[cpubarn]

I think you have the idea.  It is a scam.

Too bad it is even after people wanting to sell a puppy.

Good luck with other sales!

 

[doubled]

I think you have the idea.  It is a scam.

Too bad it is even after people wanting to sell a puppy.

Good luck with other sales!

thanks, I hope I get them sold soon, I gotta go back to work Monday- been on vacation- they sure are fun to have around though-
yeah can you believe a scam on puppies -  what trash is out there

 

[Simmymom1]

 Yup...You have been scammed!!  Those darn idiots, do they think that normal people will actually fall for that crap??  Those puppies need to go to someone nice and that can acutally PAY you for the puppies.  Lisa

 

[Jill]

Are you sure it's a scam, you'd be suprised how many puppies we sell out of state that they send us payment for everything up front and then we make the shipping arrangements.  Does seem a little different, probably better to error on the side of caution.
Good luck getting them sold, we have had a heck of a time this last litter, it is at least easier to sell the females.

 

[jason]

[size=10pt][size=12pt]SCAM [/size][/size]

Here is how the scammer benefits -  By the time the check clears and it comes back as fraud, you have already sent them a refund.



"When the check gets to you,you will take it to your bank and have it cashed
after which you will deduct your payment and then have the remaining balance
wired to the shipper,you will send the shipper's fee out via western union
for pickup."

 

[OH Breeder]

You can always asking what bank he uses for his checks if personal and check with the bank. Cashiers checks can be stopped as well. Had a girl buy a car from me and went back to her bank in another state and told them it was lost. They stopped payment on the cashiers check and froze my account. Luckily I saved emails and correspondance. Then because she was not a bright light bulb tracked her address down and worked with the bank manager to get my funds back. She had put the funds back in personal account. The bank just deducted them and wired them.
The grammar bothers me. There are tons of scammers outside US and the grammar always seems to be a give away. ...."we will have a nice business together."

You can also wait til the check has had time to clear before shipping the puppy at all. I do not know too many "personal shipping agents". The bank will know in 5 days or less if the check is real or bogus. Then you just turn the information over to the authorities and the person will be prosecuted for fraud. Something is fishy about the email. If this guy is traveling so much to "Italy" who is going to take care of the puppy anyways?

 

[klintdog]

We've had some guys send us an email that was pretty close to that. A guy claiming he wanted to buy a bull for his mother in Canada. Didn't care what color, what weight, anything. It was kind of fun to mess with him once I figured out what was going on. He asked how much we wanted so I told him $10,000 and he said that was fine....Now how really decides to buy a bull, sight unseen, no preference to color, weights, performance, breeding, etc, for $10,000. Once I told him that we would need his information to begin quarantine work we never heard from him again.

 

[box6rranch]

Don't believe it!!! We got the same thing for a swather we were selling. I played along with it and they did send a check. However when I called the bank to insure the account and reserves they informed me that the account was fraudulent and they had it posted as a scam.
I wrote the idiot back and chastised him and a couple of days I got almost the identical e-mail from some woman's name who I guarantee you doesn't even know what a swather is!!!! I wrote back and told them not to continue writing and that they better beg god for his forgiveness and to go get a legitimate job!!!

 

[kanshow]

SCAM!!!

There has been an email similar to that circulating around thru dog breeders for several months now.  We had a big discussion regarding it on the show corgi L list awhile back.  It's just a complete shame that people have to resort to something like that.

 

[Jill]

[size=10pt][size=12pt]SCAM [/size][/size]

Here is how the scammer benefits -  By the time the check clears and it comes back as fraud, you have already sent them a refund.



"When the check gets to you,you will take it to your bank and have it cashed
after which you will deduct your payment and then have the remaining balance
wired to the shipper,you will send the shipper's fee out via western union
for pickup."

It doesn't say check, it says cashiers check or money order.  In any case, wouldn't ship the puppy until it has cleared my bank.

 

[uluru]

A little story about these scams.

First I spent over 40 years in the Banking Industry in Canada, the USA and Australia so I know the cheque clearing process very well

I received one of these e mails and decided I would play the persons game.
First they wanted to buy one calf then changed it to two to be shipped to the US.
They were starting a small ranch in Louisiana.
Their email address came from the UK, but the phone number they gave was a New York phone number. It was invalid
I played along with them, being certain the whole process was a scam from day one.
They said they would send me the money for the calves plus shipping costs

They were not too concerned about health papers or registration papers to get the calves into the US.
The agreed upon price for the calves was C$3,800.
They sent me Bank Money orders drawn on a Canadian Bank for C$7,000.--- $3800 for the calves and $3200 for shipping costs. Not too bright.
I was to keep the $3800 and send the $3200 to hauler right away.
The purchaser couldn't deal with the hauler as he was going to travelling to New Mexico and didn't want to take the time to call the hauler.
I received the Bank Money Orders and immediately took them to a friend of mine in the Bank and they called and confirmed they were forgeries.
I waited a couple of days and sure enough the guy calls me at 6:00am and wants to know if I had cashed the Money Orders and had I sent the money to the haulers.
Thank god for Call Display. He was calling from a Toronto number,  so I told him they were forgeries and he became very angry and called me all sorts of names
I tracked the phone number and gave all this info to the police.
They didn't even want to get involved because they get many of these cases each day and as there was no loss to me they would do nothing.

The UPS tracking document for the package that the cheques came in showed the parcel stared in Mississauga Ontario, a suburb of Toronto, then to Mount Hope, Ontario, then to Louisville, KY then to Jackson, MS, then to Monroe, LA. and then to Oakville, Ontario where I live which is adjacent to Mississauga  where the package started from.
They have this part of it down pretty good.
I called the guys Toronto number and it was a cellular phone and nobody ever heard of him - it figures
I never received another email from the guy and he obviously knew he would get nothing from me so he moved on to his next victim.

Don't fall for these scams.
It can take many days or even some times weeks for cheques or bank money orders or cashiers cheques to be determined to be fraudulent.
The Bank will send them back and charge the depositors account so you will have no recourse if you have already sent the money to some else by Bank or Western  Union.

Be alert and cautious.
They all sound similar.
They send you more money than the deal is for and then want the surplus sent to someone else by you.
---

 

[doubled]

Dont worry I also tried to call back a number he gave to me it does not exist- Im not gonna fall for this, I just cant believe they would scam someone over a Dog,
also in his first email he talked about how his 8 year old wanted a dog- bad bad people

Oh an thanks everyone for adding some info on this also- I hope we can all stop someone from doing this to someone else, I also contacted the Des Moines register and told them what happened, they emailed me back and said they have been trying to get these people for some time.

Thanks again, I hope I can get someone legit to buy these cute pups

 

[dori36]

We've had some guys send us an email that was pretty close to that. A guy claiming he wanted to buy a bull for his mother in Canada. Didn't care what color, what weight, anything. It was kind of fun to mess with him once I figured out what was going on. He asked how much we wanted so I told him $10,000 and he said that was fine....Now how really decides to buy a bull, sight unseen, no preference to color, weights, performance, breeding, etc, for $10,000. Once I told him that we would need his information to begin quarantine work we never heard from him again.

And I had one for semen.  I played him along, though, all the way to actually receiving counterfeit US Postal money orders!  They sent 13 separate money orders, each for $780!!  How stupid.  They supposedly wanted 50 straws.  So, of course, I was supposed to send the "difference" back to them.  Instead, I took the money orders and copies of all the email communications (and there were tons of 'em) down to the post office and turned them over to the postal authorities.  I doubt they will ever actually find them, but I did my part!  Another really amazing little part of it all was that even before the postmaster looked at the money orders, he asked if they were made out in the amount of $780!  He said that apparently that's what the counterfeiters equipment is set to do in many cases so everyone gets the same one!

 

[Davis Shorthorns]

A year or so ago I had someone try to do something like this to me over myspace.  I posted an ad and he kinds said the same thing, that he was in the UK and he was going to be gone on business and he wanted the puppy for his son who was dieing from something, bla bla bla he wanted me to give him my bank account no. so he could have the money transferred in.  Yea, that sounds legit.  I would just pass on even taking the time to see if this is a scam, better safe than sorry.

 

[Joe Boy]

I have sold dogs to many states.  WE have hauled them and met people half way.  We have flown them as far as California, but I always got a money order wired to me at Western Union which my friends operated and his parents sold dogs all over the world.

A year ago I bought a bull from XXCC and Mike did not get the 1/2 payment when he should have due to his bank changing their router number.  WE got that corrected.  When Mike and his Dad, also Mike, delivered the bull I gave them the other half in cash.  It worked good for him and it worked good for me.  I met Mike and Mike at 2:30 in the morning and all of their cattle were very thirsty from that long ride.  I did not know Mike except on a couple of these cattle threads, but he and his lady made a lasting impression on me when I nearly lost my wife and was in the middle of AI-ing my cows and they asked where I lived and if I were close to them would come over and finish it for me.....  They are great people on this thread and the ones I have met are great people... there are some I would love to meet.

I had a lady call me from Arizona about a deal on office furniture that was too good to be true as an end of year sale.  They sent me a FedEx en volope for me to mail a check back to them and when it cleared the bank my furniture would be shipped, for which I was paying as well.  I called the Better Business Bureau out there and they said they had never heard of them and I reported it to them.  I got three calls and an envelope for me to send the check back to them in.  I wrote a note and put it in which said, "Upon your delivery of the agreed upon furniture I will pay for it and the freight and the collection charges.  Thank you for this opportunity.  Joe Dale Wilson"  They paid the FedEx charges and I never heard from them again.

 

[kanshow]

Some of  the differences between this inquiry and a for real one.  There should have been more questions about the individual puppies.  They should have asked if you are even able to ship.  They also should have asked what type of payment you accept.   

 

[jason]

Read this below, this guy got a scammer back

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

 

[BCCC]

Read this below, this guy got a scammer back

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

HAHA pure greatness!! That is the most I have read sence on break lol.

 

[farmboy]

classic!




but where did jeff go?