CHAROLAIS bull for clubby first calf heifers .......

[Freddy]

With the popularity of the smoke calves in especially the south country an fall calving have a proven Charolais registered purebred bull that is a coming 6 year old that is proven calving bull,when I say calving ease I mean shouldn't need to touch them at birth ....WE  do need to remember some of these clubby females do not have adequate room to calve a 70 ib. normal calf .....This bull also is producing good uddered females an plenty of milk with great dispositions and travel on good legs and feet ....    FRED'S FAST COMPANY F69      REG NO.  EM737512    BW    -1.8  YW      28      MILK    17            Will have picture below ........Notice the extreme strength in his heartgirth ..........

 

[Bulldaddy]

Nice bull.  What is his frames score?

 

[Freddy]

His frame score as a yearling was a 6.5 and if I get a chance will try to get it now .....His full brother ET was just frame 6 an had the same calving ease ,good females
and disposition but very little semn collected and he was having problems collecting semen after a severe winter ....

 

[Bulldaddy]

Thanks.  Still looking for that frame score 5 charolais bull that won't add frame but haven't found him.  Best way to get smokes but too much frame with most of them.

 

[aandtcattle]

You should try Tony Austin's Bullicious bull, he is a 3/4 char Alias son that will definitely sire moderate cattle.  We had a few 2 years ago out of Maine and Shorthorn cows, all smokes or cream colored calves, all stout chubby and moderate and very light birthweights. 

 

[OH Breeder]

You should try Tony Austin's Bullicious bull, he is a 3/4 char Alias son that will definitely sire moderate cattle.  We had a few 2 years ago out of Maine and Shorthorn cows, all smokes or cream colored calves, all stout chubby and moderate and very light birthweights. 

Did you guys get any of those oranges creams? It seems when you cross the shorty's with char sometimes get those funky colors.

 

[aandtcattle]

Yes, all the shorthorns bred to Bullicious had orange cream colored calves, theyre beautiful!

 

[Mark H]

I want a lower birth Weight EPD than -1.8 for a heifer bull being used on potentially high birth weight clubby heifers.  A better example is a bull going in the P Bar 3 dispersal called HC X-periment 34X.  He has a birth weight EPD of -4.3.  Check him out at: http://www.charolaisbanner.com/cat11/pbar3/5.htm.
For a power bull check out lot 1 in  this sale HBSF Specialist.

 

[simmyman67]

Look at Kris black Hereford ranch's website, he has some Charolais bulls that may be just what you're looking for.

 

[flacowman]

I think if a -1.8 is still too high the heifer needs to be burger, I wouldn't be able to sleep during calving season with those kinds of epd's or the real birthweights they indicate

 

[Bulldaddy]

Look at Kris black Hereford ranch's website, he has some Charolais bulls that may be just what you're looking for.

  I used Mr Driven, a KB bull, but too much frame.  Tried to get some Polar Ice semen but the bull wasn't collecting at the time.  Uno Mas isn't purebred but he sure knocks down frame, adds bone and power, just get too many black calves.

 

[Mark H]

Whether a -1.8 BWT EPD is good enough depends on the heifer ans well as the bull. I have used bulls of  +1.9 BWT EPD on some heifers with confidence.  Some other heifers I wanted the lightest birth weight bull possible due to the birth weight and calving histories of the cow families concerned  For non PB Charolais heifers I would like a BWT EPD of at most -2.0.  This is because of heterosis increases in birth weight.  For heifers I like being conservative because a dead calf grows and shows very poorly.  Many clubby heifers fit the latter description being selected for showability and not functionality
By the way for heifers,  LT Bluegrass and Oakdale Duke are easily available and do everything better than fast company. 

 

[Freddy]

How to use EPDS to their most ADvantage , The first three years they are a EDUCATED GUESS  and on most bulls the owners start selling semen for customers to use the second and third year.  No amount of data is reliable until then and should get more reliable in the future years ....Bought a CHAROLAIS bull from a reputable ANGUS & CHAROLAIS breeder that had a BW of -4 at the sale and when I was getting my first calves two years later I looked at his EPD'S  AN  they were a  BW + 4.
iN TWO YEARS AN NO CALVES ON THE GROUND  he changed 8 points .  The birth weight on CHAROLAIS  cattle has always been my biggest concern, we all know Charolais cattle can grow but in the past the disposition an birth weight were their biggest problems ...For you younger people in the 60's in the state of Nebraska
95% or more of the Charolais breeders starting had BRAHMAN influence in their CHAROLAIS  because most of them bought them in the southern states ...It has been my theory that this hurt the breed as far as disposition an marbling ....
Back to the subject of EPD'S  and  mark h  you must have missed the CALVING EASE epd's on the three bulls you mentioned , and in the clubby business looks is also very important and were proably wasting our time disscussing this because your goals are different then most of the STEER PLANET  people .
MARK tried to look at bulls you suggested an couldn't connect ...

 

[Mark H]

I didn't know that link was bad.  Try the link to the catalogs at the Charolais Banner Website: http://www.charolaisbanner.com/catalogues.php.  The calving ease bull is on page 5 of the P BAR 3 catalog. Plenty of other god cattle in all the catalogs on that website.
If you get a swing of 8 point in your Birth Weight EPD on a bull you likely had no data to back up the projected EPDs from his relatives or the females he was used on weren't a random selection in the breed.  This is why I like to use bulls with calves on the ground as a sanity check.

 

[Mark H]

Still can't get that link to work... Does this work: http://www.charolaisbanner.com/catalogues.php

 

[Mark H]

I think that works...

 

[Freddy]

tHANKS second one worked ...

 

[CAB]

BTW Jamie, I like the looks of your bull. Have to admire that extended front end in him, & his depth of rib for a calving ease bull.

 

[flacowman]

Freddy, What's his pedigree and the rest of his numbers?  He might click well with a Wind daughter I'm breeding around Christmas

 

[Freddy]

Freds Fast Company F69---Registration ---EM737512  he is a  Baldridge Fastrack 82F son  and on maternal  side    FREDDY 178 - SCR KARL --AVIGNON

CALVING EASE  is 9.9 an milk is 17 ,the FREDDY 178 bull had moderate females with plenty of milk ....Was not always the biggest  calves at weaning but I got where I always kept the females because they would be the best producer's ..