Clubby bull to Cross with Shorthorns

[Warrior10]

We recently purchased 5 females from the Wakaru's sale, these females are correct and have no structure issues just need more mass. So my question is what clubby bull will put the most amount of mass and stoutness into the calves? I was thinking something along the lines of Salty Dog? But what do you guys think?

 

[MOClubbyGuy]

Use Salty Dog on the moderate ones.

 

[iowabeef]

Big fan of Eye Candy with Shorthorns...

 

[Warrior10]

Eye Candy was actually 2nd on my list!

 

[Ohio1]

Do you know if there th carriers? If they are I'd try one and only or thriller but if not eye candy

 

[Warrior10]

They are not carriers, so looks like eye candy a pretty popular choice. I will try salty dog on some too.

 

[nck21]

Champion Market Heifer at the Kansas State Fair was an Eye Candy out of a Shorthorn cow. This year we used Unstoppable, Choppin Wood, and Tiger Woods on our shorties.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The Waukaru Cows were crossed with fullbloods like KnA Shakedown and the Streamettes(streamliner) almost 30 years ago and worked great. First off-they are red-and my experience with red shorthorns with a ton of Enticer (GoldWalk,Gold this,Gold Etc Etc) do not nick with black  bulls as well as a clubby Shorthorn,or FULLBLOOD.2: Eye Candy and Salty Dog are both Th,aint the end of the world-just the facts. I think-bulls with the Sonny(rodeo)-Maine x like Free For All would work-a bull I bred who is new called UB DMCC Top Fuel-is a Free-All-double Cumberland-would work by pedigree,easy calving too, ALM Fringe,Young Money (cleen eye candyxshorthorn),ALM Sabotage,ALM Chiller,Rods new bull-perfect catastrophe (I think) Connells Jm Joe Davinci(CuniaxMona Lisa) KnA Shakedown,C-3 Takedown,Fringe,Super Sport(Steermaker CE Deal) Tiger Woods,Uncle Cracker,Sahara-Then the bunch that might carry-erfect Timing,Jazzman,Ivy League,Buddy Love ,Lucky Ralph,on and on.JMO O0

 

[JTM]

I think Mark T. is on to something there. You really need to stouten up those cows with one more generation of a fancier type Shorthorn bull. I like the ALM suggestions. If you bred them all to ALM Chiller then you could take those daughters and get some really nice clubbies out of them from Eye Candy and Salty hog. You would also have more purebred Shorthorns. Free bird I'm not familiar with but he looks moderate framed and that is what you probably need. Moderate frame, hair, and freaky fronts and then breed them clubby. Just my thoughts.

 

[sue]

Interesting topic.

I think toby should jump on here !

I was at the sale. I thought the 5042's had alot of rib, the top shelf calves were deep bodied too!

What about the Ivy league or Buddy love?

 

[Warrior10]

I do like the ALM Chiller idea, it could work well. I am not sure still what I will do. Maybe I will go half and half, half bred to clubby and half to shorthorns hopefully for replacement females.

 

[PDJ]

From my experience with Waukaru bloodlines, it can be hard to keep the calves small enough framed for the club calf deal.  They tend to keep growing, and get to much air under them as they get older.  Good productive cattle, just not clubby in one generation.

 

[simmyman67]

I've heard Bojo works really well.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

First:-the Waukaru cows (you there Toby?) are some of the best 1st cross cows Ive ever seen-Barry J also knew what had maine and what didnt back in the day-Im tlking about the Millbrook Ransoms-CUNIA-and the IWF magic-I know WHERE IRISH SWEEPSTAKES CAME FROM-(so does one of the greatest breeders of all JEFF CONNEL-JMO. Second-they are linebred many times to Goldwalk-:an Enticer (maine) dual cross-that allways worked .Its also where the big thick Shorthorns came from, RodeoxEnticer was the best all around "conventional" (lol) cross in the breed-which also was how alot of the really good Waukaru cows were bred.Sonny(Chillers sire) goes to Rodeo-Chillers dam goes to the clubby maines at KABA-which for the most part were pretty easy calving-The others like Free For All (full cleen sib to Buddy Love) etc would really work. 1: because of the right combo of Maine-Rodeo etc 2:because of the clubby IMPROVER from Vision,which the Waukaru cows have none of-for many generations. O0

 

[wyatt]

i would use heat wave or eye candy on shorties. i know i always tell people not to use heat wave but on a shortie he works great