Commercial Cattle

[oakie]

There has been some confusion as to if a commercial crossbred should have papers. Maine anjou and shorthorn crosses with papers have been considered commercial cattle. This is to help give some bearing on the discussion

 

[rackranch]

I know from a showing aspect if a calf can be papered it cannot be shown in the commercial division but I'm not certain you are talking about show cattle... the cross you mentioned could be a shorthorn plus are a maintainer???

 

[oakie]

I know, but they have it under commercial crossbreds with papers. If I could cut and paste it I would let me see if I can at least attach it

 

[oakie]

http://www.co.douglas.or.us/dcfair/fair/documents/2009%20Book%20OC_web.pdf   page 13 lower left hand corner

 

[rackranch]

What is the definition of ''registration'' papers... if you are going to show commercial the heifer still has to be registered for the show??? At most county fairs you are gonna have an ownership date and ''tag in'' date..

 

[oakie]

From what I understand, if I was to go pluck out my state fair champion crossbred heifer with no papers, she could not show. They have to have pedigree registration papers.

 

[SFASUshowman]

The way I read it is this county has no true commercial heifer class...their breeding heifers have to be papered and Div. 4 would be for those heifers in breeds that allow you to register percentage cattle...i.e. the percentage Chi's that are registered, Maintainers, Shorthorn Plus, etc...a lot of the shows around here let those cattle show but they show under the AOB Division!

 

[oakie]

exactly, but they won't allow commercial, unpapered animals to show.It is kind of manipulated to fit one person

 

[OLD WORLD SHORTIE]

my county shows has a commercial heifer division, but we can not confuse AOB with commercial division because they are compeating with the registered heifers if they win the continential division. Hence you must have papers to show in the registered heifer show. sounds pretty self explanitory to me.
now some breeds in my mind are so watered down that they show against fullbloods so just register under one of those and get your papers and then you can claim a breed or AOB.

 

[oakie]

ok, heres a question for that then, I have some cows that I can trace back three generations, but the original cow I started with was non-registered. So how would I go about registering her, or could I? The original cow was a simmental angus x (50%/50%) and I bred her to dr who, then I bred that calf to g13 structure. The sire to the original cow is a plain jane simmental bull and her maternal sire was a random angus bull from basin angus. Is there anyway that you could register something when one cow isn't registered? On some of the Maine pedigrees you do see "unregistered dam" so I am wondering if there is a way to get around that.

 

[BadgerFan]

ok, heres a question for that then, I have some cows that I can trace back three generations, but the original cow I started with was non-registered. So how would I go about registering her, or could I? The original cow was a simmental angus x (50%/50%) and I bred her to dr who, then I bred that calf to g13 structure. The sire to the original cow is a plain jane simmental bull and her maternal sire was a random angus bull from basin angus. Is there anyway that you could register something when one cow isn't registered? On some of the Maine pedigrees you do see "unregistered dam" so I am wondering if there is a way to get around that.

is it a crossbred?  yes.  should it show that way?  I think so.

Now to answer your question, I think you could register the Dr. Who cow as some miniscule amount Chi, and then register her calf.  Once an animal is in the Chi herd books, they'll register any progeny by any breed including Boer, Shropshire, and Schnauzer.  It keeps the lights on at AICA and lets crossbreds show in some kind of purebred class.

 

[oakie]

lol, so how would I go about that, call the chi office?

 

[BadgerFan]

yes, they could set you on the right track as far as paperwork needed and fees involved.

 

[oakie]

Thank you, I was hoping to register her but had no idea how to go about that