cool roan caf - looks like hed be usefull

[mark tenenbaum]

Yesterday you asked if he was promotable and today if he is county fair material???  Now that is quite a jump! ; guess my aspirations follow the sale prices im seeing

 

[justintime]

Mark, I like the looks of your bull calf. Whether he is good enough to be promoted is always debatable. Some will say he is, some will say he should be steered. I think from the picture he probably is good enough to be promoted, however, the clubby market is saturated with lots of pretty good bulls, so this is a consideration. If you are willing to spend some money and do it right, you could see good returns, but I don't think this is an area where you go only half ways, or you will see poorer than expected returns.

In your original post, you made mention of our X Ray Vision bull. Yes, he was a very good bull. He sired a bunch of excellent calves. Our steer and heifer markets are limited here in W Canada, so I am sure he could have done more if he was in the Midwest.  He was also clean on both TH and PHA. I still have his dam, and I would flush her back this way again, if I could be assured I could get another TH and PHA clean calf. I am not real interested in propagating carriers. I did have some calves from him sell over $3000 which is pretty decent money for steers and heifers up here.

I also had a white Double Vision son that also did a great job here. I did collect some semen on him, and may go back and use him again if I ever get in the mood to develop a few clubby calves again. We had an internet steer and heifer sale for a couple years, and his calves were always our top sellers.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Allways appreciate your views on things-did you have any semen on the xray? I agree on carriers-and this calf is clean both ways-and my entire herd has been tested.I guess what I meant was maybe show him a little-take him to Iowa beef expo-and run a couple of ads-use him-and let people see the calves.We have birth pictures and agings of Panama reds calves-not all were great all were tiny at birth-that kind of thing. Although not all were my breeding- Lawrence and Ed Grathwohl and me won Louisvile and Denver more times in the 90s with bulls than any other us  breeder(s)- deertrail-Nancy Grathwohl etc-probably had as many first and second females over the years too-so Ive seen a number national champs from birth on-this  calf kinda hits you that way-he could fall apart etc-but there is a spark.

 

[AStar]

He is a solid calf and you should show him. I would not waste my time or money on trying to make him an A-I bull. There is not alot of money in it for you the bull owner, you just pay all the bills associated with it. Show him at a few shows and if he's good enough someone will want to buy him.


How can anyone say he is straight fronted???????????

 

[mark tenenbaum]

He is a solid calf and you should show him. I would not waste my time or money on trying to make him an A-I bull. There is not alot of money in it for you the bull owner, you just pay all the bills associated with it. Show him at a few shows and if he's good enough someone will want to buy him.


How can anyone say he is straight fronted???????????  yah  and left opinions twice  must really have some great ones-whut you says pretty much the deal if the caf continues-thanx O0 ))

 

[FutureBreeder2013]

sure do think hes promotable

if i promoted a bull id like to get 1 calf crop on the ground from him and see what he gives me.
if their real nice calves have him collected off of and then try out the promotion thing cuz he sure has the look so far.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

sure do think hes promotable

if i promoted a bull id like to get 1 calf crop on the ground from him and see what he gives me.
if their real nice calves have him collected off of and then try out the promotion thing cuz he sure has the look so far.AND I sure appreciate the comment-I think a few fairs and maybe an expo wouldnt hurt-im goona jump him because I never really had alot of money-and bred these cattle up-i have a few he"d work on-and hes different from all the 5=6 bw sos-recycled stuff Im seeing, soes his mother.

 

[FutureBreeder2013]

your welcome

hope he works out for ya