Cunia Bulls

[pds]

These are some Cunia bulls that we will be selling They are out of H914 an Angus cow that Dr Mimms flushed in the mid 90's. Out of the 4 eggs we bought from this mating we got 3 bulls and 1 heifer. What do you think

 

[knabe]

2 of them look horned scurred.

is that possible?

 

[McM93]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

 

[OH Breeder]

Of the three I like the top bull on profile the most. Do you have any pictures of the female? I would think that would have made for a real maternal female. I haven't seen the angus donor you are talking about. I think they offer a fresh perspective on some of todays genetics if that makes any sense.

 

[CAB]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

If the donor is PB angus, the calves should be polled.

 

[knabe]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

If the donor is PB angus, the calves should be polled.

I know but some angus have been throwing scurs some from angus genetics and some from chi, Holstein, Maine and who knows who else.

 

[CAB]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

If the donor is PB angus, the calves should be polled.

I know but some angus have been throwing scurs some from angus genetics and some from chi, Holstein, Maine and who knows who else.

LOL, Knabe I knew that you knew, evidently H914 isn't a PB angus.

 

[pds]

Yes 2 of the bulls have scurs. If I remember right H914 might be the grand dam to wedge but I could be wrong. We think they will work great on the Heatwave genetics of today to make females for steers and the best part is the should be clean by pedigree. I have them listed on the for sale page if anyone is interested. I you want to see them they are located right off U.S. 30 between Fort wayne and Columbia City IN. If I get a chance I will get a pic of the heifer.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The top picture looks the best-Ive gotta be blunt-either its the pictures-or the other 2 either: havent eaten very well-or should have been cut-no thickness at all. Theyd at least need a bunch of grocerys-or better camera angles to go in a sale O0

 

[McM93]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

If the donor is PB angus, the calves should be polled.

I know but some angus have been throwing scurs some from angus genetics and some from chi, Holstein, Maine and who knows who else.

LOL, Knabe I knew that you knew, evidently H914 isn't a PB angus.

Am I missing something here?

 

[knabe]

Cunia was horned...Are these bulls sibs to Wedge?

If the donor is PB angus, the calves should be polled.

I know but some angus have been throwing scurs some from angus genetics and some from chi, Holstein, Maine and who knows who else.

LOL, Knabe I knew that you knew, evidently H914 isn't a PB angus.

Am I missing something here?

Yes, we all are.  Why the bulls have scurs if they are out of an angus cow.

 

[McM93]

I was tired from being at the Shorthorn show in Fort Worth. Just watched and talked to my 12 yr old daughter for three-four hours and talked about cattle and why the second or third place heifer might fit what we do better (club calves). Terrible with names when you ask me details later... However, Knabe I got your point finally. Cunia was slightly ahead of my time, even though I have had some in the tank forever waiting for the perfect cow to use it on..., but it was darn near impossible to get a smooth polled bull calf (heifers were usually smooth polled) out of Meyer 734 and a registered Angus cow...kinda humorous looking back on it now.... <beer>

 

[CAB]

McM93. PB Angus cattle according to AAA regitry rules are smoothe double polled so if that is true they would not have the genetics to ever have a horned/scurred animal. They are homo. polled.

 

[kfacres]

McM93. PB Angus cattle according to AAA regitry rules are smoothe double polled so if that is true they would not have the genetics to ever have a horned/scurred animal. They are homo. polled.

so you are saying the Angus breed is not polluted with Chi, Holstein, or other outside the breed blood?  If you truly think this--- you need to wake up... 

I'm going to guess and say- that less than 5%, but more than 2% of the Angus breed- are TH carriers...  I bet the number of horned, and horned carrier Angus are crazy in terms of their numbers and widespreadness...

 

[CAB]

McM93. PB Angus cattle according to AAA regitry rules are smoothe double polled so if that is true they would not have the genetics to ever have a horned/scurred animal. They are homo. polled.

so you are saying the Angus breed is not polluted with Chi, Holstein, or other outside the breed blood?  If you truly think this--- you need to wake up... 

I'm going to guess and say- that less than 5%, but more than 2% of the Angus breed- are TH carriers...  I bet the number of horned, and horned carrier Angus are crazy in terms of their numbers and widespreadness...

What!! You didn't.

 

[knabe]

widespreadness...

tip to tip?

 

[kfacres]

McM93. PB Angus cattle according to AAA regitry rules are smoothe double polled so if that is true they would not have the genetics to ever have a horned/scurred animal. They are homo. polled.

so you are saying the Angus breed is not polluted with Chi, Holstein, or other outside the breed blood?  If you truly think this--- you need to wake up... 

I'm going to guess and say- that less than 5%, but more than 2% of the Angus breed- are TH carriers...  I bet the number of horned, and horned carrier Angus are crazy in terms of their numbers and widespreadness...

What!! You didn't.

I guess I did... now that I reread what I typed...

widespreadness...

tip to tip?

positive term commonly used when talking longhorns, corriente, or meat goats.. tip to tip spread of horns.. or widespreadness...  Also used in conjunction with spread and circumference of horn base....  <deadhorse> ))

 

[vcsf]

McM93. PB Angus cattle according to AAA regitry rules are smoothe double polled so if that is true they would not have the genetics to ever have a horned/scurred animal. They are homo. polled.

The horn gene and scurred gene are separate genes with different modes of inheritance.  The scur gene has a sex link component to it in that for scurs to be expressed a female must be homozygous for the scur gene while a male need only be heterozygous.  Furthermore in most cases an animal that is homozygous polled will not show scurs even if it carries the scurred gene and would show scurs if heterozygous polled.  There are however cases of homozygous polled animals having scurs.

Thus a bull calf sired by Cunia out of a true purebred angus could have scurs if he inherited the scurred gene from Cunia.  However, a heifer calf of the same mating should never have scurs as it would need to be homozygous for them and the angus female should not carry the scur gene.

Now the injection of foreign blood into the Angus gene pool is a totally different story and not many would argue that it has happenned and there most definitely are purebred angus cattle that carry the scurred gene and some that carry the horned gene.   Although I have read arguments that in the early days of the Angus breed development that there were horned animals and that any horns or scurs that turn up today are merely carryovers in the gene pool from that time.  How is that for denial?

 

[knabe]

The horn gene and scurred gene are separate genes with different modes of inheritance.  The scur gene has a sex link component to it in that for scurs to be expressed a female must be homozygous for the scur gene while a male need only be heterozygous.  Furthermore in most cases an animal that is homozygous polled will not show scurs even if it carries the scurred gene and would show scurs if heterozygous polled.  There are however cases of homozygous polled animals having scurs.

Thus a bull calf sired by Cunia out of a true purebred angus could have scurs if he inherited the scurred gene from Cunia.  However, a heifer calf of the same mating should never have scurs as it would need to be homozygous for them and the angus female should not carry the scur gene.

yup, my bad.

 

[McM93]

Thanks vcsf. Been so long ago (college) that I had forgotten that tidbit. You think a lifelong learning process is just re-learning what you forgot from 20 years ago.... (lol)